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Update on 12/02/19 - Government publish response to report.

Government Response to the Report of the Task and Finish Group on Taxi and Private Hire Vehicle Licensing

Taxi Task Force report on Taxi and Private Hire Licensing

Taxi Task Force report on Taxi and Private Hire Licensing 24/09/18

Thirty four recommendations in report.

One cab driver on Task Force. :-k

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:15 pm 
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Recommendation 2.

Government should legislate for national minimum standards for taxi and PHV licensing - for drivers, vehicles and operators (see recommendation 6). The national minimum standards that relate to the personal safety of passengers must be set at a level to ensure a high minimum safety standard across every authority in England. Government must convene a panel of regulators, passenger safety groups and operator representatives to determine the national minimum safety standards. Licensing authorities should, however, be able to set additional higher standards in safety and all other aspects depending on the requirements of the local areas if they wish to do so.


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Wonder if taxi/PH drivers might be asked? :-k

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:39 pm 
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Recommendation 11

Government should legislate that all taxi and PHV journeys should start and/or end within the area for which the driver, vehicle and operator (PHV and taxi – see recommendation 6) are licensed. Appropriate measures should be in place to allow specialist services such as chauffeur and disability transport services to continue to operate cross border. Operators should not be restricted from applying for and holding licences with multiple authorities, subject to them meeting both national standards and any additional requirements imposed by the relevant licensing authority.


That will go down like a sack of poo in a few Boardrooms.

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Recommendation 17

In the interests of passenger safety, particularly in the light of events in towns and cities like Rochdale, Oxford, Newcastle and Rotherham, all licensed vehicles must be fitted with CCTV (visual and audio) subject to strict data protection measures. Licensing authorities must use their existing power to mandate this ahead of inclusion in national minimum standards.

To support greater consistency in licensing, potentially reduce costs and assist greater out of area compliance, the Government must set out in guidance the standards and specifications of CCTV systems for use in taxis and PHVs. These must then be introduced on a mandatory basis as part of national minimum standards.


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Recommendation 19

National standards must set requirements to assist the public in distinguishing between taxis, PHVs and unlicensed vehicles. These should require drivers to have on display (e.g. a clearly visible badge or arm-band providing) relevant details to assist the passengers in identifying that they are appropriately licensed e.g. photograph of the driver and licence type i.e. immediate hire or pre-booked only.
All PHVs must be required to provide information to passengers including driver photo ID and the vehicle licence number, in advance of a journey. This would enable all passengers to share information with others in advance of their journey. For passengers who cannot receive the relevant information via digital means this information should be available through other means before passengers get into the vehicle.


The second part of that recommendation makes no sense, and is in effect impossible to adhere to. What about freephone work, or auto bookings? Or are we all meant to have cards with our details on to give every passenger before they get in the car?

Quite amazed this stupid recommendation got past the PH reps in the Task Force.

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All individuals involved in the licensing decision making process (officials and councillors) must be obliged to undertake appropriate training. The content of the training must form part of national minimum standards.


Well done, and not before time. =D>

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Recommendation 33

The low pay and exploitation of some, but not all, drivers is a source of concern. Licensing authorities should take into account any evidence of a person or business flouting employment law, and with it the integrity of the National Living Wage, as part of
their test of whether that person or business is "fit and proper" to be a PHV or taxi operator.


Can't really argue with that as well. =D>

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Recommendation 34

Government should urgently review the evidence and case for restricting the number of hours that taxi and PHV drivers can drive, on the same safety grounds that restrict hours for bus and lorry drivers.


Very contentious, but I'm one of the few that look positively at limiting the crazy hours some of us work.

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Sussex wrote:
Recommendation 11

Government should legislate that all taxi and PHV journeys should start and/or end within the area for which the driver, vehicle and operator (PHV and taxi – see recommendation 6) are licensed. Appropriate measures should be in place to allow specialist services such as chauffeur and disability transport services to continue to operate cross border. Operators should not be restricted from applying for and holding licences with multiple authorities, subject to them meeting both national standards and any additional requirements imposed by the relevant licensing authority.


That will go down like a sack of poo in a few Boardrooms.

We have many jobs that don't start or end in our area, they can't also be classed as executive type work so where would that leave us? for instance, the borough boundary is only 6 miles from our base in 2 directions and we take many passengers from villages just over the border to airports or weddings or nights out. Will we not be able to do this any more?

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grandad wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Recommendation 11

Government should legislate that all taxi and PHV journeys should start and/or end within the area for which the driver, vehicle and operator (PHV and taxi – see recommendation 6) are licensed. Appropriate measures should be in place to allow specialist services such as chauffeur and disability transport services to continue to operate cross border. Operators should not be restricted from applying for and holding licences with multiple authorities, subject to them meeting both national standards and any additional requirements imposed by the relevant licensing authority.


That will go down like a sack of poo in a few Boardrooms.

We have many jobs that don't start or end in our area, they can't also be classed as executive type work so where would that leave us? for instance, the borough boundary is only 6 miles from our base in 2 directions and we take many passengers from villages just over the border to airports or weddings or nights out. Will we not be able to do this any more?



Engage the meter before crossing the boundary but do not forget to tell the passenger that the journey begins at the boundary.


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Don't know whether I have the attention span to read it all (although to be fair, compared to some of these things it seems quite a short and digestible document), but just picked this out at random:

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29 A freedom of information request found that in in the 12-month period running from
08 January 2016 to 07 January 2017, 1,290 Transport for London licensed taxis were
reported for not having a second MOT test, six months from the date the taxi licence
was granted. However, it is unknown whether any of these vehicles were used for
'taxi radio circuit' work. Transport for London's data for the period April to December
2017 indicted that 27.1% of PHVs and 35.8% of taxis stopped were non-compliant.
In both cases, the total number non-compliant vehicles may be higher as these
vehicles were identified as a result of 'on-street' enforcement.


So I'm surmising from that:

- TfL HCs and PHVs have to have a six-monthly MoT
- The only way TfL have of enforcing this is an on-street check
- around a third of vehicles stopped hadn't complied with the requirement, and HCs even worse than PHVs?

:shock: :shock: :shock:

So soon Uber will be suing the black cab trade because of widespread illegal operating? :badgrin:


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grandad wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Recommendation 11

Government should legislate that all taxi and PHV journeys should start and/or end within the area for which the driver, vehicle and operator (PHV and taxi – see recommendation 6) are licensed. Appropriate measures should be in place to allow specialist services such as chauffeur and disability transport services to continue to operate cross border. Operators should not be restricted from applying for and holding licences with multiple authorities, subject to them meeting both national standards and any additional requirements imposed by the relevant licensing authority.


That will go down like a sack of poo in a few Boardrooms.

We have many jobs that don't start or end in our area, they can't also be classed as executive type work so where would that leave us? for instance, the borough boundary is only 6 miles from our base in 2 directions and we take many passengers from villages just over the border to airports or weddings or nights out. Will we not be able to do this any more?


The recommendation is essentially how it works in Scotland - you can do work to and from an other area, but you can't hang around in another area waiting for work or base cars in another area.

Not sure about work between two areas outside the licensing area - have heard some claim over the years that it's not allowed, but have never felt the inclination to actually find out for sure. But suspect if it isn't allowed then transgressions are one off and not widespread, and probably little in the way of enforcement action.


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Sussex wrote:
Recommendation 33

The low pay and exploitation of some, but not all, drivers is a source of concern. Licensing authorities should take into account any evidence of a person or business flouting employment law, and with it the integrity of the National Living Wage, as part of
their test of whether that person or business is "fit and proper" to be a PHV or taxi operator.


Can't really argue with that as well. =D>


Very easy to do, employ all drivers


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StuartW wrote:
grandad wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Recommendation 11

Government should legislate that all taxi and PHV journeys should start and/or end within the area for which the driver, vehicle and operator (PHV and taxi – see recommendation 6) are licensed. Appropriate measures should be in place to allow specialist services such as chauffeur and disability transport services to continue to operate cross border. Operators should not be restricted from applying for and holding licences with multiple authorities, subject to them meeting both national standards and any additional requirements imposed by the relevant licensing authority.


That will go down like a sack of poo in a few Boardrooms.

We have many jobs that don't start or end in our area, they can't also be classed as executive type work so where would that leave us? for instance, the borough boundary is only 6 miles from our base in 2 directions and we take many passengers from villages just over the border to airports or weddings or nights out. Will we not be able to do this any more?


The recommendation is essentially how it works in Scotland - you can do work to and from an other area, but you can't hang around in another area waiting for work or base cars in another area.

Not sure about work between two areas outside the licensing area - have heard some claim over the years that it's not allowed, but have never felt the inclination to actually find out for sure. But suspect if it isn't allowed then transgressions are one off and not widespread, and probably little in the way of enforcement action.

EG ,You can go to Glasgow or Edinburgh, drop off or pick up as long as they are booked, or from one area to another again as long as there is a booking.


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Sussex wrote:
Recommendation 2.

Government should legislate for national minimum standards for taxi and PHV licensing - for drivers, vehicles and operators (see recommendation 6). The national minimum standards that relate to the personal safety of passengers must be set at a level to ensure a high minimum safety standard across every authority in England. Government must convene a panel of regulators, passenger safety groups and operator representatives to determine the national minimum safety standards. Licensing authorities should, however, be able to set additional higher standards in safety and all other aspects depending on the requirements of the local areas if they wish to do so.


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Government must convene a panel of regulators, passenger safety groups and operator representatives

Wonder if taxi/PH drivers might be asked? :-k



Only if they are major backers of the political party that implements this

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