Taxi Driver Online

oh oh deary me, hows this been done,
for I was not in the office but long gone,
I remember the boss said to me,
you can post but dont use my key,
he explained the troubles of past,
where his men had used his cast,

but here we have the boss posting as me,
so I cannot ignore and let it be,
Paddington Bill posts in rhyme,
so it cannot be me at this time,
The views expressed are those of Wharfie, so do,
this wont stick even with glue,

so my dear boss, though I am faithful and true,
to post in my name you must not do,
the habit of getting the site through history "the past"
means you get on oh so fast,
sorry Im the one to notice your blumer,
may those on here have a sense of humour.

Paddington Bill.

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Come and go as you will,
but Do so with Paddington Bill

I didn't doubt for a second it wouldn't be.

However if you can get your council to pay for your loss of value, then I will take my hat off to you.

Less of course the 40% capital gains tax.

Sorry for referring to you by name, which I always thought you did in return (but not my real name obviously) - lots of other people do it, and I've rarely replied to any of your posts without referrring to you by name - it always seems a bit more civil and personal, particularly when you're disagreeing with the person - but I'll try not to do it in future.

By the way, at least I use a psedonym and don't go out of my way to leave no identifying mark whatsover, as you seem to be doing, Mr Man-with-no-name.

Have the T&G's policies really become that embarrassing?

Dusty

Having two classes of taxi plates is not typical, but it is plainly discriminatory.

How de-restriction would develop depends on the local market and the relative standards for PH and taxis - in places like Brighton and Dundee, for example, because conditions have historically been similar for the two codes, without restrictions there would be minimal PH - indeed, according to the Dundee report there were nearly 800 taxis and ONE PH when the de-limited ten years or so ago.

But in both Dundee and Brighton any new plates will be for WAVs, which changes the picture, even assuming that Brighton de-limited as well - the WAV requirement would perpetuate a significant PH sector.

Of course, in Dundee since it seems that the Doblo will be licensed then this in economic terms is similar to running a saloon, so the WAV effect may be different there.

But it's interesting that even with 500 taxis and 100 PH or so our man from Dundee still seems to be happyish with the money he's taking, but maybe his 'problem' is that he's willing to get off his backside and do some work, unlike some of his Dundee brethren, who seem to think they should be able to sit back and watch the money roll in by virtue of the fact that the council would not allow drivers to run their own vehicle.

As for your location, there's clearly a lack of rank space, and as you've said in the past conditions for vehicles are too lax.

This should not be used as an excuse to create a couple of hundred Mr Roydens.

Dusty

There'll be no compo paid, and I'm not sure on what legal basis you base this argument - LAs have always been able to de-limit at any time.

Even Mr Royden didn't try that argument!

Dusty

As I've said umpteen times before this doesn't work - look at Dundee - people sitting on their backside with several drivers in their cars.

I agree it's unfair people getting plates and selling them on immediately, but if you want plate quotas then you can't have your cake and eat it.

Anyway, on a rational basis it shouldn't matter how long someone holds a plate when they sell it, assuming that you support the principle - Mr Royden wanted to sell his, but when he did, no matter how long he had held it for the premium would have been 'unearned', as the OFT put it.

Dusty

What's the significance of the Transport Act then?

Anyway, if someone's had a plate since before 85 then they'll either have gotten it for nothing or won't have paid that much for it, at least as compared to current values.

And they'll have been making excess profits for almost twenty years, so not much of a moral case for compo, even assuming there's a legal one.

Dusty

As Wharfy says the market is probably best at deciding these things.

The main problem time is late at night, and the big problem here is that drivers need a big premium to put up with the scum and the unsocial hours (a 'compensating wage' in economic terms).

The other big problem is exponential increases in demand when the pubs and clubs chuck out, and the licensing reforms may alleviate that.

If fares could be left to the market then they'd probably vary considerably throughout the day to reflect supply/demand conditions, but this is just not practical.

Dusty

Well I certainly wouldn't want my name put along side with them.

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IDFIMH

I think what the judge said in the Wirral was that before the 1985 Act, drivers could have a case that they bought the plate on the basis that it would always have value.

The 1985 Act was, he said, a de-limitation act, so anyone buying after that should have known that they were taking a gamble.

I think he was just trying to back up his view, and I doubt that the courts will have any sympathy with those that bought before 1985.

As neither do I.

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IDFIMH

I can't really see any difference between the Transport Act and what went before as regards it being a de-limiting Act, or whatever.

Both pieces of legislation allowed LAs to operate plate cartels and thus create premiums, but this has always been discretionary and to that extent any expectation now should have been the same then.

What the Transport Act did do was to fetter LAs discretion somewhat, in that if there was unmet demand then they had to issue plates, whereas before they could basically have whatever number kept them and the vested interests happy.

But since the SUD test is fundamentally flawed then to that extent the Transport Act only had a limited effect.

The Act may have paid slightly more heed to those other than the vested interests in the trade, but I disagree with the judge's description of it as a de-limitation Act.

There's only one kind of de-limitation Act, and we haven't got it.

Yet.

Dusty

Words right out of my mouth.

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IDFIMH

Dusty,
SUD as we all know is a [edited by admin] take, it started by Leeds University Transport School, to by highly technical that nobody understood, so they could be expert witmesses in court it worked an absolute treat.

everybody who realy understands SUD like Sussex like you like me laugh like buggery, but it makes lawyers and surveyors millions now guess where the idea for SUD came from?

bless my socks it was from an Appeal in Brighton where it was argued that it was unreasonable to have taxis on rank at 3am in the morning.

Brighton is the bloody curse of us all!

If only you knew Wharfy, if only.

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IDFIMH

Dusty I am a member of the TGWU.
I represent the drivers who choose to join the TGWU within my own licensing authority
I debate THEIR issues within the local council, even if they contradict my own, simply because that is why they voted for me to represent THEIR best interest.
I find out what they want me to discuss at monthly meetings and report any progress in a monthly newsletter.

I don't know a single H/C driver who wishes to see de-limitation and only very few P/H would consider driving H/C. Therefore by requesting the re-introduction of quantity restrictions in Gateshead is what the vast majority of our members want, are you really suggesting that I take any action which contravene's my members wishes or instructions.

You may well disagree with the policies that T&G adopt, but I can assure you of one thing they are following their members instructions when they decide what should be National Policy.

B. Lucky