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roythebus
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:30 pm 
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x-ray
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:36 pm 
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Why the heck was he given a conditional discharge in the first place ? #-o It’s still only cost him £248. Should be doing a couple of years for fraud.
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StuartW
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:34 pm 
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When interviewed by police in February 2018, Mr Rudwick admitted lying about being in the car when it was struck by the bus. In April, he was given a conditional caution by the police and ordered to pay £150 to a Brighton and Hove Buses-nominated charity.

But Sussex Police brought him back to Brighton Magistrates’ Court on 20 December because he hadn’t donated the money to charity, and he was fined £133 and ordered to pay £115 court costs.


Didn't realise police had power to order donations to charity etc as part of punishment :-s
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roythebus
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:22 am 
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The judge ordered him to ay the charity.
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StuartW
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:07 am 
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roythebus wrote:
The judge ordered him to pay the charity.


Reads to me like police let him off with a caution on condition he made a donation to a charity. So when he failed to meet that condition he ended up in court, where he was fined and had to pay costs.

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When interviewed by police in February 2018, Mr Rudwick admitted lying about being in the car when it was struck by the bus. In April, he was given a conditional caution by the police and ordered to pay £150 to a Brighton and Hove Buses-nominated charity.

But Sussex Police brought him back to Brighton Magistrates’ Court on 20 December because he hadn’t donated the money to charity, and he was fined £133 and ordered to pay £115 court costs.
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Sussex
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:00 pm 
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roythebus wrote:
http://www.route-one.net/articles/Fake_bus_injury_claimant_fined?utm_source=routeone+Master+Subscribers&utm_campaign=eb2773d08e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_01_09_09_10_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_584b65a2d5-eb2773d08e-100712853

No mention that the liar also parked in a disabled space.

So typical of a certain branch of society, often on show on the Jeremy Kyle Show. :sad:

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Sussex
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Didn't realise police had power to order donations to charity etc as part of punishment :-s

Not really an order, more of a suggestion to avoid further court action.

I'm personally not a fan of cautions, but a bit more (but not much) of a fan of conditional cautions.

However the liar decided he didn't want to fulfill the obligation, which he would have had to agree to, and thus ended up in court and in the press. #-o

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Bit more on this story from the local press.

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1733951 ... -the-shop/

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Sussex
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roythebus wrote:
The judge ordered him to ay the charity.

The police suggested it as a way to avoid court.

In court the magistrates have no powers to say the fine should go to a charity. They only have those powers in respect of compensation, which is not an issue in this matter.

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Sussex wrote:
Not really an order, more of a suggestion to avoid further court action.

I'm personally not a fan of cautions, but a bit more (but not much) of a fan of conditional cautions.


Hmmm....but effectively the 'suggestion' is an order if the sanction for not complying with that suggestion is to end up in court? :-k
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Hmmm....but effectively the suggestion is an order if the sanction for not complying with that suggestion is to end up in court? :-k

Correct. To a degree.

The liar would have had to agree with the requirement when he accepted the conditional caution, so rather than an order it is deemed to be an agreement.

If he hadn't agreed to that requirement then it would have gone straight to court.

It's all part of the 'community resolution' process many are suggesting is such a good thing. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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