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All those involved with the COF are dragging their feet in the hope that someone will come up with a bright idea for disallowing the E7. Let's assume TFL say no to the E7, what is the likely outcome for Cab direct? Will they go to court and if they do what can they expect? Will the court rule the 25ft turning circle condition unreasonable?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to decipher that 98% of the country deem the turning circle to be irrelevant. So how will a court of law rule on the assumption of TFL that the turning circle is essential for London?

Notice I said essential? That is because the word essential is one of the main points the court will rule on.

So is the turning circle essential for London? If it is? Then why not those cities throughout Europe who have narrower roads and streets than London?

I'm afraid TFL could be up the river without a paddle and I predict that next year London will be open season for all vehicle manufacturers who can supply a vehicle that doesn't have the 25ft condition and about time too.

Regards

JD

I suspect the pen pushers from the PCO are desperate to keep the turning-circle. However I suspect the lawyers from the PCO are desperate to bin it.

I suspect the owners of Cab-direct are desperate for the turning-circle to be binned by the PCO. However I suspect the lawyers from Cab-direct are desperate for the PCO to keep it.

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FYI the conditions are fitness are not a legal requirement. There is no provision within the legislation handed down to the regulatory authority to set standards as to the construction of vehicles used for the pupose of HC's. The section of the of the London Cab order 1934 upon which they base their rules requires solely that the vehicle be safe for public use.

All conditions can be challenged in a court of law and with todays announcement I suspect this one probably will? Wasn't this condition first applied around 1906?

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-centre/ ... p?prID=625

It will be interesting to read what Allied have to say.

Regards

JD

Well,well.

Who would have thought it?

Allied will have to say, "back to the drawing board"?

When I suggested some time ago that a change in the COF could be challenged in the Courts, (by LTI) you scoffed, now you say that Allied could challenge a refusal to change? 50,000,000 u-turns?must be OK then.

You never sugested a change could be challenged in the courts, it was I who reminded you that LTI would first have to challenge the legality of the change in condition. You stated LTI would sue, I don't know who you had in mind they would sue but that is exactly what you said.

In respect of Allied, you are conveniently forgetting the reasons for this review? It was Allied who objected to the conditions being unreasonable and the threat of legal action prompted TFL to make a case for retaining the condition. Allied will now have the opportunity to do what they should have done three years ago and challenge the condition on being reasonable.

Your pie in the sky notion about LTI suing, whoever it was you had in mind they were going to sue? Was and still is totally off the wall.

I think you should be reminded what you actually said, seeing as how you are prone to memory lapse. Your initial outburst proclaimed "LTI would sue" but you never said who or why? Only that it would drive them out of business?

It was me, who pointed out to you, that LTI would first have to challenge the changing of the condition and I gave you several definitions how this could be done. The future sales of cabs in London or anywhere else for that matter was not one of them. You do remember saying this don’t you?



And you do remember me saying this don’t you?

On what grounds would they sue?

And you do recall saying this don't you?



And you do recall me saying this don’t you?

The laymen amongst us would no doubt assume that LTI would first have to challenge the legality of the decision of TFL to alter the COF, would that be correct? If so on what grounds could LTI challenge such a decision?

Just one final note, this decison by the PCO was expected by most of us on here, we have have been saying it for quite some time so it is no surprise to us.

What Allied do is another matter but if it ever went into court I know which horse I would back?

I did notice that Allied got at least one of the three conditions changed but it will be interesting to see what changes the PCO makes in respect of the visibility condition?

JD

Gosh, such vitriol, JD.

Maggie Thatcher wasn't for turning, but the PCO are?

I don't see any vitriol in my reply to you, on the contrary I was just correcting your intentional deception. I think I did that by posting exactly what you said. If you want to misrepresent the facts go ahead but there will always be someone prepared to correct your sophistry.

I have a feeling you now realise that your reference to the word "sue" was somewhat inappropriate but you were told this at the time, it is refreshing to see you have acknowledged the error of that particular misjudgement?

JD

Press Release from the London Taxi Board




LTB WELCOMES CONDITIONS OF FITNESS REVIEW RESULT

The London Taxi Board welcomes the outcome of the re-review of the Conditions of Fitness recently undertaken by the Public Carriage Office.

This extremely detailed independent report bears out the view taken by the London Taxi Board that standards should not be lowered.

The LTB expresses an aspiration that firms who can supply vehicles which can meet present standards should be encouraged to provide choice in the trade.

The famous London taxi with its clearly recognisable, iconic shape and tight turning circle would seem to have been examined in this review in all its aspects and not found wanting.

The famous turning circle, which according to the report is used 50 million times a year by the trade, is a benchmark standard and was found to be as necessary today as ever.

The need to preserve safety through recognisability was never more important than it is now in the light of the review of exterior signage on private hire vehicles being undertaken at this time.

The London Taxi Board is proud to represent the most famous taxi trade in the world which must be preserved for y

Well let's hope they will pay the PCO's legal bill when Cab-Direct eventually get their fingers out.

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