Taxi Driver Online

UK cab trade debate and advice
It is currently Sat Apr 25, 2026 8:50 pm

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 58 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:19 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:46 am
Posts: 137
no you do not need a courts permission. you are permitted to continue to driver while you decide if you want to submit and application and then you can continue driving once you have submitted the application.

Herefordshires principle lawyer has conceded to this and I have an email from him confirming the legal position.

Kevin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:23 pm 
Online
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 57333
Location: 1066 Country
herfordian wrote:
no you do not need a courts permission. you are permitted to continue to driver while you decide if you want to submit and application and then you can continue driving once you have submitted the application.

Do us a favour, get him to e-mail you that, and then post it up on here. :-k

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:36 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:51 pm
Posts: 5795
Location: The Internet
Sussex wrote:
But that section has been clarified by the Pitts judgement, a contract must be for exculsive use. The contact must have a start and finish date.

He cannot advertise for his work, or offer his services to anyone. If he did he would need an operator's license.



But surely the point is that the contract is for the exclusive use of the club. And he's not advertising - it's the club that is. And he's not offering his services to anyone, it's the club that's doing that. :-k

_________________
Taxi Driver Online
www.taxi-driver.co.uk


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:18 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:46 am
Posts: 137
Unfortunately I am not able to post emails from the councils solicitor without his prior approval, it is covered by confidentiality.

But all the relevant details about appeals for refusal despite a timely renewal can be found at the link that I posted earlier in the thread.

Here it is again in case you missed it:

http://www.tapin2taxis.co.uk/faq.asp?id=3

Kevin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:11 pm 
Online
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 57333
Location: 1066 Country
TDO wrote:
But surely the point is that the contract is for the exclusive use of the club. And he's not advertising - it's the club that is. And he's not offering his services to anyone, it's the club that's doing that. :-k

Yes but he is the club. :wink:

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:19 pm 
Online
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 57333
Location: 1066 Country
herfordian wrote:
Unfortunately I am not able to post emails from the councils solicitor without his prior approval, it is covered by confidentiality.

But, as far as I'm aware, your license ran out before your CRB came back. I'm not that sure that can be viewed as a 'timely renewal'.

But maybe your council has realised that they f***ed up by refusing to renew your license while they waited for the CRB check to come back, and this is a good way of allowing you to work.

Which is what they should have done in the first place, as happens in most other areas.

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:00 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:51 pm
Posts: 5795
Location: The Internet
Sussex wrote:
TDO wrote:
But surely the point is that the contract is for the exclusive use of the club. And he's not advertising - it's the club that is. And he's not offering his services to anyone, it's the club that's doing that. :-k

Yes but he is the club. :wink:


Well in substance I suppose that's correct, but in law the club has clearly been constituted as a seperate legal entity with a view to avoiding the legislation. I doubt if the existing case law deals with the particular scenario in question, but until it's challenged by the council or addressed in a court of law then there's presumably some mileage in the scheme, or surely the solicitor wouldn't have drawn it up in the first place.

I think it would depend how the legislation was interpreted - clearly the scheme is artificial and contrived, thus to that extent it was obviously never intended that the law could be avoided in this way, but on the other hand if the wording of the legislation is considered in isolation then it's more likely to be considered legal.

_________________
Taxi Driver Online
www.taxi-driver.co.uk


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 4:59 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:27 pm
Posts: 305
Location: London LPH
herfordian wrote:
I've set up a travel club which people have to join (totally free) which gives you access to discount chauffeur driven cars. I then contract hire to the club and so I do not need to be badged or plated I only need hire and reward insurance.

I think if this was allowed then 1000s of Mr GBC's mates, like Mr Ali, would be doing it.

The fact that they aren't doing it, or pretending to do it, says to legit old me that it's not on.

Ollie

_________________
Happy to be legit.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Dec 25, 2004 4:28 pm
Posts: 8998
Location: London
Ollie wrote:
herfordian wrote:
I've set up a travel club which people have to join (totally free) which gives you access to discount chauffeur driven cars. I then contract hire to the club and so I do not need to be badged or plated I only need hire and reward insurance.

I think if this was allowed then 1000s of Mr GBC's mates, like Mr Ali, would be doing it.

The fact that they aren't doing it, or pretending to do it, says to legit old me that it's not on.

Ollie



I find myself agreeing on something Ollie says. :shock:


I need to sit down. #-o


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:26 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:46 am
Posts: 137
Latest update on my crb check.

It still haven't come through yet but I'm now driving on section 77 appeals process. Seems like it could be a few more weeks before the check gets done.

Thought my appeal hearing at the magistrates court would be heard tomorrow but it seems like they've gone on strike and so my case has been postponed until 10th January.

Still at least it means I can carry on driving without a badge through the new year which is good news.

I really don't understand how herefordshire council can be so strict on their policy. Taxi drivers needing an enhanced crb renewed every two years, that's even more frequently than foster parents and residential social workers :( not to mention the fact that at the time of renewal my enhanced crb was less than two years old and there had been no complaints against me as a driver.

I'll let you know the outcome of the case when it finally gets heard.

Kevin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:07 am 
Online
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 57333
Location: 1066 Country
herfordian wrote:
I really don't understand how herefordshire council can be so strict on their policy. Taxi drivers needing an enhanced crb renewed every two years, that's even more frequently than foster parents and residential social workers :( not to mention the fact that at the time of renewal my enhanced crb was less than two years old and there had been no complaints against me as a driver.

I would certainly use that line of defence at the court.

If a once only CRB check is fine for teachers, social workers, carers etc, then one has to wonder how a council could justify one every two years for the taxi/PH trade.

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:58 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Dec 04, 2005 5:37 pm
Posts: 809
Location: Cheshire
streetcar wrote:
http://www.pinkladiesmembers.co.uk Are not these people . doing what Kevin is doing . They advertise for chauffeuress ,not private hire drivers . as far as i am aware . There vehicles are not plated . This operation has the backing of just about every one, who is any one . There on there way to London, so there will be a few upset cabbies . Streetcar


We have an on going issue at the moment with "pinkies".
They were issued plates when their cars were still grey (before they were sprayed pink) you try going for test with an odd coloured door and tell them it's being sprayed next week!)

And allegedly they didnt take their knowledge test part of obtaining their badge because "the vehicle has sat-nav"
???


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 9:13 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Dec 04, 2005 5:37 pm
Posts: 809
Location: Cheshire
Also, because they're a members club (people pay £1.00 to join) they cant be done for sex discrimination.
But now they're carrying men as well because they dont get the work.

Btw, their paid an hourly rate here where i am, think it's £5.80 days/£7.50 nights. needless to say they dont get many takers for working nights!! even days is half of what they could easily earn on a busy system in the town.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 58 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1504 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group