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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:09 pm 
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Do you not think this is a better idea ?

I think the best idea is to let licensed drivers decide for themselves. If they want to licensed a taxi WAV, then why shouldn't they? If they want to licensed a salloon PH, then why shouldn't they?

It shouldn't be down to you, to me, to councils, to unions, to decide what is best for others. :wink:

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brightonbreezy wrote:
Cgull,
whats needed in Brighton is a long term plan. Im not sure what side you are on, but if the two sides continue to fight the eventual delimatation, and it will come, will finacially cripple both PH and Hack.

if ytou know the trade like you say then you will no that the trade (drivers)is only split on this issue.
on nearly everythink else the drivers groups agree. cross border fares safety. i know because i have a foot in both camps.
as for crippling the trade. whats wrong with is the amount of multi plate owners. both ph and hc.
dreivers have to earn hundreds and hundreds befroe they earn a penny for them.
how can anyone support that unless you are one?


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When delim comes it won't effect me in the manner your implying, so I guess Im not 'one'. What I am, is concerned for the driver, I agree, in all but plate issue our trade do agree on most issues. Like you I have a foot in both camps, that is why I believe middle ground will be the answer.


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What I am, is concerned for the driver, I agree, in all but plate issue our trade do agree on most issues.

wot drivers?
do you mean the ph one or taxi journey men and women?
or do you mean the multi plateholders? :-k


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Like you I have a foot in both camps, that is why I believe middle ground will be the answer.

Pray what is this 'middle ground', and will it stand up to a legal challenge? :-k

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With 24 hours licensing is there any borough where there is unmet demand now?

Hereford is deregulated but if it wasn't then say 6 months ago you could go down commercial Road at 2.00am and give a very good case for unmet demand. Go down now though and you'll see that there's never a queue for taxis anymore and that is even during the christmas rush.

Looks like deregulated drinking is working well for the hackney carriage trade :)


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herfordian wrote:
Looks like deregulated drinking is working well for the hackney carriage trade

Looks like you have got it spot on.

Your deregulated taxi trade is thriving under a deregulated drinking trade. =D>

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herfordian wrote:
Looks like deregulated drinking is working well for the hackney carriage trade :)




Or parts of it, at least :?

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Warrington ua. Conducted in house survey. Decided to keep restrictions and issue 15 licenses in 2005, 15 in 2006 and review policy in 2007. 109 hacks. No independent survey, open to legal challenge.


When they isssue 15 plates per year how do the council decide who they give them to? Do they have a waiting list :-|


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Warrington ua. Conducted in house survey. Decided to keep restrictions and issue 15 licenses in 2005, 15 in 2006 and review policy in 2007. 109 hacks. No independent survey, open to legal challenge.


When they isssue 15 plates per year how do the council decide who they give them to? Do they have a waiting list :-|

i think usually they do.
but dont some have a lottery? :?


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Warrington ua. Conducted in house survey. Decided to keep restrictions and issue 15 licenses in 2005, 15 in 2006 and review policy in 2007. 109 hacks. No independent survey, open to legal challenge.


When they isssue 15 plates per year how do the council decide who they give them to? Do they have a waiting list :-|


A council will choose the criteria on how to proceed when issuing licenses. There are many examples of criteria but remember the criteria has to be lawful and cannot discriminate.

I suppose the one that presents the least headache for a council is a lottery system. However those who have been renting a cab for a long period of time sometimes think they should have preference.

Likewise People like Mr Carl Cummings, who through different companies held the first six places on a waiting list in Cardiff, would no doubt say that he should be first in line for any new licenses, in fact that is exactly what he did say and he paid a lot of money to find out he was wrong.

Unfortunately for Mr Cummings his understanding of the law was buffeted from pillar to post in every court he had the pleasure to step into. The rest is history.

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>>MIKE wrote:
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Warrington ua. Conducted in house survey. Decided to keep restrictions and issue 15 licenses in 2005, 15 in 2006 and review policy in 2007. 109 hacks. No independent survey, open to legal challenge.


When they isssue 15 plates per year how do the council decide who they give them to? Do they have a waiting list :-|


Chronological waiting lists certainly aren't fair - the applicant could long since have left the trade, or may have joined the list for speculative reasons in the first place - in either case, a nice little unearned bonus.

Some LAs operate a points system of some sort - ie length of service, or are disqualifed if they have a plate already.

That's probably about as fair as it gets.

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Warrington ua. Conducted in house survey. Decided to keep restrictions and issue 15 licenses in 2005, 15 in 2006 and review policy in 2007. 109 hacks. No independent survey, open to legal challenge.


When they isssue 15 plates per year how do the council decide who they give them to? Do they have a waiting list :-|


Chronological waiting lists certainly aren't fair - the applicant could long since have left the trade, or may have joined the list for speculative reasons in the first place - in either case, a nice little unearned bonus.

Some LAs operate a points system of some sort - ie length of service, or are disqualifed if they have a plate already.

That's probably about as fair as it gets.


Warrington's issuing of 15 plates for WAV vehicles only and must be returned so the plate cannot be sold on for proffit.


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Warrington's issuing of 15 plates for WAV vehicles only and must be returned so the plate cannot be sold on for proffit.[/quote]

Nah, they can't do that, once you got them issued you can do wot you like with it, a Judge years ago said


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You dont have the ruling on that do you? I'd luv to see the look on our LO's face when he read it! :lol:


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