Taxi Driver Online

It's about time the likes of Uber were brought or dragged screaming into the 21st century.

I used to run a small bus company in London in the 1990s and even the had problems with who were and weren't "employees". Drivers hd to be rostered, and while we had a number of them on a roster with a guaranteed week (remember those?) some were classed as part time or casual drivers who worked when they wanted to and there was work available for them. But they had to work to the rostered duty as buses run (ahem) to a fixed timetable. but it wasn't much of a problem.

I then went on to running a small private hire business in Kent and considered using others to drive. But I foresaw the problems that Uber have and couldn't get my head round how to employ drivers and have to pay them to sit around waiting for business in what is a quite rural area with the nearest big towns 17 miles in all directions.

As others have said, hopefully this judgement will see and end to the massive over-provision of ph cars and maybe the driver won't be working ll day and night thinking they're making money when in fact they are working for next to nothing.

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The public voted for cheaper fares rather than better driver conditions and rights

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

I was thinking that

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

The Justices made a big thing about saying operators rules mean diddly squat. What matters is the legislation not what operators put in contracts that drivers except without checking.

Laws such as the National Minimum Wage Act were manifestly enacted to protect those whom Parliament considers to be in need of protection and not just those who are designated by their employer as qualifying for it.

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IDFIMH

Thankfully we don't have such a rule as Prop 22 in this country, and the only people who can change the Supreme Court's view is the UK government, and that's not going to happen.

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IDFIMH

A Glasgow licensing councillor's take on the Uber judgement.

Same councillor who a couple of years ago was banging the drum to cap PH plates. Which subsequently happened.


Is it just me?

I wonder what his views are on the differences are between a driver who chooses to work on the uber system and a driver who works for a regular PH firm are?

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

Sussex, does it actually state that in the judgement ?....That If driver is logged on in his licensing area with or without a punter he qualifies for the minimum wage.
What if the driver is working across borders like most of them do ?

Good question that man

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
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Taken from the summary.

When are the drivers “working” for Uber?

The Supreme Court also holds that the employment tribunal was entitled to find that time spent by the claimants working for Uber was not limited (as Uber argued) to periods when they were actually driving passengers to their destinations, but included any period when the driver was logged into the Uber app within the territory in which the driver was licensed to operate and was ready and willing to accept trips

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IDFIMH

Which is basically anywhere?

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

I don't think the Justices considered that as cross-border wasn't an issue in this case.

My view is that once logged on waiting for work that will be classed as working time in respect of the minimum wage. However without clarification there is every chance courts could go the other way.

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IDFIMH

I read it as changes to VAT rules so that they can clobber Uber et al for VAT

I think this crisis has made the penny drop that the Gig economy is becoming a massive tax avoidance scheme and that is not going to pay for the NHS, Teachers and Military! VAT on all of the gig economy would improve the tax take considerably

I may be wrong but since Cameron and Osborne left the government Uber does NOT have so many friends in high places

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lack of modern legislation is the iceberg sinking the titanic of the transport sector

My thoughts exactly

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
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