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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:02 am 
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Quotes from latest article posted on page 1 of this thread :roll:


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PC Martin Tranmer, who works in the road safety department, said: "I wouldn’t say it was anymore dangerous than anywhere else."

When Coroner Bailey asked Mr Tranmer if he felt a lack of lights were an issue for road users, he replied: "Not particularly, you would drive according to the conditions that you can see."

Kind of implying that even if a pedestrian walks out in front of you then it's always the driver's fault :roll:

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He said he had never known taxi companies to warn drivers about people on the Coast Road, only to raise awareness of speed checks.

I'm sure PC Tranmer has got his finger on the pulse of precisely what things taxi companies are warning their drivers about =D> :roll:

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Mr Tranmer added: "I think introducing lights on any stretch of dark road would reduce the risk of an accident."

Oh, so risk isn't entirely down to the driver after all, then? :roll:

The deceased's mother wrote:
"There's a school at the end of the road. You know how kids are, pushing each other, carrying on, like kids do."

Maybe that kind of thing can happen at night, you know, with adults, especially when they're pished? [-(

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Mr Hibbins, who had spent the day at Redcar Racecourse with friends, appeared to have been trying to flag down a taxi in the moments prior to the collision.

He is the second person to have been fatally injured on the Coast Road in the last nine years.

In 2012, Kirsty Fennon, 19, was hit by a taxi as she walked home from a night out in Redcar.[...]

[Redcar and Cleveland Council's Governance Director] said that in the case of Ms Fennon the driver was at fault and there was no issue with street lighting.

Interesting to compare that earlier case - it's in my drafts, and will put it up later today or early tomorrow, since this latest article is quite long as it is. (Note that the article above was published several days ago at the end of the inquest.)


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Kind of implying that even if a pedestrian walks out in front of you then it's always the driver's fault


modern day blame culture in order to please the injury lawyers pedestrians AREN'T INSURED CAR DRIVERS ARE

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It's quite simple really, people, even those pi**ed out of their minds, are responsible for their own actions.

It's not always everyone else's fault. [-X

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:21 am 
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So this is the article about the other taxi driver who hit and killed a drunk on the same stretch of road, and is dated 1 June 2013.

But any real difference between this and the more recent case?

It does explicity say here that the girl was in the middle of the road, but it's not so clear cut with the chap above.

So I would say that either the more recent driver got lucky, or this one below was hard done by, depending on how you look at it. But to me the cases seem largely identical :?


Death driver spared prison: Cabbie was speeding as he hit Kirsty

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/tees ... th-4037216

Craig Williamson was driving his taxi at the Marske end of the A1085 Coast Road when he hit 19-year-old Kirsty Fennon as she walked home from a night out in Redcar

A taxi driver who caused the death of a teenage girl by careless driving has been spared jail.

Craig Williamson was driving his taxi at the Marske end of the A1085 Coast Road when he hit 19-year-old Kirsty Fennon as she walked home from a night out in Redcar.

It is thought that Miss Fennon, who was highly intoxicated at the time of the accident, had stepped into the road in order to hail the Skoda Octavia.

Other drivers had seen her walking in the middle of the road and another taxi driver, who had to swerve to avoid her, was sufficiently concerned to put out a warning call to other taxi drivers.

However Williamson, 46, worked for a different firm so did not get the message.

When Williamson, of Byland Road, Skelton, spotted Miss Fennon, he desperately braked to try to avoid hitting her but contact was made and it is believed she died almost instantaneously.

Road policing experts found Williamson was driving at approximately 48mph when the crash happened - the speed limit was 40mph.

The experts found that if he had been driving at 40mph, contact would still have been made but it is likely Miss Fennon would have survived.

Williamson appeared at Teesside Crown Court yesterday for sentencing after previously admitting a charge of death by careless driving.

The court heard that on April 5 last year Miss Fennon, of York Road, Redcar, had been out with friends in the seaside town.

Prosecuting, Dan Cordey said that in the early hours of the morning, along with some friends, she got in a taxi and headed towards Skelton.

During the journey she asked the driver to stop, saying she wanted to go home.

She then started walking back towards Redcar and he was seen by several drivers walking in the road.

Mr Cordey said: “One taxi driver saw her. She was wearing dark clothing and was walking on the white line in the middle of the road. He had to swerve to move the vehicle.

“He was able to avoid her but was concerned and he put out a call to other taxi drivers.”

Miss Fennon, described by her parents Peter and Allison as “an amazing daughter”, died of multiple injuries.

The court heard that the accident was caused by excess speed, lack of light and lack of precautionary action taken before impact.

During yesterday’s hearing Williamson broke down in tears as he was reminded of the tragic events of that April morning.

Mitigating, Paul Cleasby, said Williamson, who has worked as a taxi driver for 20 years has since been diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder.

Mr Cleasby said he was a family man who was “respected” by his employers.

He said that Williamson apologises “wholeheartedly” to Miss Fennon’s family.

Judge George Moorhouse also took into account Williamson’s guilty plea, his references and the fact the had no previous conviction and a clean licence.

He said: “Whatever sentence I pass today cannot bring this young lady back.”

He gave Williamson a six-month sentence suspended for two years. He was disqualified from driving for two years and was given a 12-month supervision order.


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the way the law works the onus is always on the car driver to avoid the collision even if the pedestrian/cyclist/scooter rider makes it difficult


I remember once being in a line of traffic waiting to turn left at traffic lights . The lights went green and the cars started off but a cyclist undertook them all and turned left on the inside of the first car getting knocked off their bike. A police car was waiting at the opposite side of the lights he immediately put his blue lights on pulled round in front of the car and arrested the driver

The cyclist shouldn't have done that but the police arrested the car driver because he hadn't seen the cyclist acting dangerously

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