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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:55 pm 
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Whilst I fully agree that de-restriction is the proper way forward, I can also understand the feelings of abandonment felt by these owner drivers.

It is also clear to me that the split that this has caused is seriously weakening the coherance of the trade as a whole, which in turn further lays it open to the various exploitations that it has always been vulnerable to.

That's my humble opinion - how accurate it is I do not know but that's how it appears to me. :)

I couldn't agree more, which is why sites like this are good in getting info to people about how vunerable plate values really are.

I suspect many many people have been put off buying plates by reading what's really happening on TDO, and have no-doubt saved themselves thousands.

As for the split, again correct. But for 70% of England and Wales that split can now be sorted, as quotas are no-more. \:D/

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Hardly surprising though given the compelling circumstances! :cry:

If I put myself in the position of an owner driver, who having invested such a considerable amount, in good faith, in their business and who then finds the value of that investment several years down the line under threat, then I can quite easily understand how they might feel.

And the fact that the trade in general is quite happy to have the goal posts moved without a corresponding compensation package being organised first means that those drivers have little option but to defend their position as best they can.

Whilst I fully agree that de-restriction is the proper way forward, I can also understand the feelings of abandonment felt by these owner drivers.

It is also clear to me that the split that this has caused is seriously weakening the coherance of the trade as a whole, which in turn further lays it open to the various exploitations that it has always been vulnerable to.

That's my humble opinion - how accurate it is I do not know but that's how it appears to me. :)


I'm agree with your general sentiments, but at the end of the day I think the vast majority of those buying plates know that they are taking a gamble. I recently counselled one person against buying a plate, for example, but he reckoned that he would buy anyway because even if de-limitation did come about he would probably have gotten his money back by the time it all went through.

Now, if it does come about, do you expect him to say that he's not bothered because he knew the risk and he just decided to gamble anyway?

I doubt it - it'll be all the usual stuff about pensions and the like.

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As you quite rightly suggest, anyone taking the risk of such an investment at the present time, deserves no condolences from the trade if it all goes pear shaped for them, because they will be acting against the advice of the collective wisdom of the trade. :roll:

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collective wisdom of the trade. Rolling Eyes


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Ha yes no well you know what I mean - no one could possibly ignore the many warnings coming from within the trade at the moment about the likely outcome of such an investment. There, no irony, point made. :)

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Sussex wrote:
But for 70% of England and Wales that split can now be sorted, as quotas are no-more. \:D/


You make it sound very easy. There must be many points to consider though.8)

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You make it sound very easy. There must be many points to consider though.8)

I pretty sure that most of us can agree that driver's safety issues don't really matter which side of the trade you are on. Same with the issues of driver's earnings and hours.

Could this ever happen? Well I think it could, but it wont all the time the likes of the NTA and T&G have their noses in the quota trough. :-$

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Sussex wrote:
I (am) pretty sure that most of us can agree that driver's safety issues don't really matter which side of the trade you are on. Same with the issues of driver's earnings and hours.


Now you're talking. :wink:

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