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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 6:05 pm 
I agree Scanner. But the trouble is, I could never get anyone like me, to work for the wages I work for.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 9:21 pm 
scanner wrote:
In fact... If I could find someone just like me to work for I reckon I would be better off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I thinmk i may work in a similar area to you scanner and the normal rental is between 200 and 250 a week.

That must cover your radio rent insurance and car costs.


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I don't think many of us earn as much as we want, but in these times I think those with jockies should either watch their pennies, or really look after their jockies.

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How much, is enough?

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Well the cynic in me says that no amount is enough for some.

Some owners thing they are doing jockies a great service giving them work, but seldom mention the 100s of pounds a week they get from them.

If a jockie has done well one week and earnt the owner a fortune, then the owner sulks the following week when he doesn't get the same.

Some owners are good and grateful, but the other 99.999999% aren't.

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I must live on a different planet here.

I have yet to meet a jockey who can earn an owner £100s a week.

Our fleet motors earn marginally the same as we get rent from an owner driver. Perhaps we pay too much (40% or set wage) or charge too little at £1.30 a mile. What kind of gross would a motor need to earn 100s a week with a jockey in it? £2,000 a week? We'd be lucky to gross half of that.

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Andy7 wrote:
I must live on a different planet here.

I have yet to meet a jockey who can earn an owner £100s a week.

Our fleet motors earn marginally the same as we get rent from an owner driver. Perhaps we pay too much (40% or set wage) or charge too little at £1.30 a mile. What kind of gross would a motor need to earn 100s a week with a jockey in it? £2,000 a week? We'd be lucky to gross half of that.


In our area HC jockeys work on 50% and take around £300-£400 a week only thing the drivers do not pay for is insurance or damage to the Taxi :wink:


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Andy7 wrote:
I must live on a different planet here.

I have yet to meet a jockey who can earn an owner £100s a week.

Our fleet motors earn marginally the same as we get rent from an owner driver. Perhaps we pay too much (40% or set wage) or charge too little at £1.30 a mile. What kind of gross would a motor need to earn 100s a week with a jockey in it? £2,000 a week? We'd be lucky to gross half of that.


Andy,

we pay jockeys a third, most take home over £200 a week, trying to get them on wages.

what a fuss they kick up!


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Sussex Man wrote:
Well the cynic in me says that no amount is enough for some.

Some owners thing they are doing jockies a great service giving them work, but seldom mention the 100s of pounds a week they get from them.

If a jockie has done well one week and earnt the owner a fortune, then the owner sulks the following week when he doesn't get the same.

Some owners are good and grateful, but the other 99.999999% aren't.


Do you live on the same plannet as the rest of us.... 100's of pounds a week.. which area do you work in... I will come and work there!


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:54 am 
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Sussex Man wrote:
Well the cynic in me says that no amount is enough for some.

Some owners thing they are doing jockies a great service giving them work, but seldom mention the 100s of pounds a week they get from them.

If a jockie has done well one week and earnt the owner a fortune, then the owner sulks the following week when he doesn't get the same.

Some owners are good and grateful, but the other 99.999999% aren't.


Do you live on the same plannet as the rest of us.... 100's of pounds a week.. which area do you work in... I will come and work there!





Sussex,
you can be a real pillock sometimes!
where do you get this [edited by admin] from?


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Well SM didn't actually say that jockies earned owners £100 a week, he just said that they got hundreds from them, not that they made them that in profit.

A doubled taxi in a city is going to gross at least a grand a week, perhaps a lot more if all shifts are covered, and the owner will 'get' hundreds from the drivers, perhaps the best part of a grand.

Of course this is not the same as profit, but no doubt some owners make several hundred pounds clear.

After all, a garage in Manchester (say) won't be paying nearly £50k for a plate to make a profit of £50 a week.

Dusty


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scanner wrote:
Ok..so now we are getting personal here.

Let me assure you Mr Dusty that my day driver is on an excellent deal. At the end of the week, after taking into consideration how much my car repayments are ( I always have a high standard of car not only for me but also my driver)... office dues.. insurance... driver bonus incentive etc my driver is actually better off than me!



I'm not sure what you mean by 'personal' Mr Scanner, you expressed an opinion (which can only be personal) and I expressed an opinion in return - how do you construe this as being personal?

OK, I won't disagree with your assertion that your driver is better off than you, but if this is due to your personal benevolence then that's your business, but it seems a bit rich to complain about a lack of drivers when you seem to be taking a charitable approach to hiring them.

But ignoring your own personal arrangement, I've heard this argument many time, and it's usually bogus - it usually comes from people who try to tell journeymen that they would be worse off doing what the owner chooses to do, which begs the question, why don't they dump their vehicle and drive for someone else? But the answer is usually obvious!!

In any case, drivers doing permanent nights, every Friday and Saturday and long hours can conceviably take several time what the owner does during his 'office hours' 8-5, Monday to Friday (say), so it would hardly be amazing if the driver made more than the owner.

But if they swapped round then the owner would probably be making a lot more than the jockey had been doing previously.

Dusty


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gedmay wrote:
I do not wish to labour the point but I would say without fear of contradiction that every owner/ driver in the land knows that unless they follow the rules the plate would be removed, no matter what they had paid.Therefore it follows they must know what they are"buying" into.


I'm not sure if you're making a slightly different point from the one I'm making Ged - you seem to be carefully wording your statement to refer to plate removals for misconduct, and not the de-limitation scenario.

Or do you mean that all plate buyers know the score re possible de-limitation etc.

If so, then buyers clearly just took a risk that went wrong.

If someone bet thier house on a horse and it doesn't win, then they only option is to refer them to Gamblers Anon, surely.

Of course, everyone would be sympathetic, but that doesn't mean that Ladbrokes should have to give the stake back.

Dusty


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well of course you are totaly lost you cannot get the grasp of anything,

lets try and make it easy, to try and put plumbers and electricians down (dont know how you dare) you quote them as an example not realising that they are in a racket and have a quota market.



How nice of you to say so...er...Rita.

Please tell me more about the cartel that these fine trades seem to be operating.

Dusty


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Andy7 wrote:
Yes, Dusty, I totally agree the points you made. But London also has a whole bundle of rogue operators in the PH field, and that cant be right either. If all the PH in London were properly licensed Hackneys, what then? Would that be an improvement?



Absolutely Andy7, the problem is that if the standards are upped to enter the taxi trade then the PH/minicab sector grows as a consequence. If standards are the same for both codes then there simply won't be a mainstream PH sector, except where license quotas are in place, and Brighton is a good example of this.

Since the current two tier sector is staying then this problem just won't disappear, and the DDA will just perpetuate this and create it in areas where it doesn't currently exist.

And even if the Govt were minded to introduce a single code, it wouldn't be feasible with all WAVs.

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