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Does anyone out there want to explain how, by insisting on Brand new vehicles, (yes, I KNOW they are not, but they may as well, how many second hand, low mileage WAV's are out there, a big fat zero, I believe) and pushing up operator costs, which will result in higher fares, "benefits the consumer"?


Consumers get decent safe vehicles to travel in and the local authority fulfils its moral obligation to the 1995 DDA. New entrants don't have to spend 30 grand on a worthless piece of paper and another ten or twenty grand buying a vehicle. Everyone gets the equal opportunity to own and drive a cab and no driver is placed in a position of master and slave, where the slave is always susceptible to the power of the master.

Removing the master slave scenario is what equality is all about. But you knew that already, didn't you?

In other words invest in the vehicle and not in the plate.

Besides what would you rather do pay thirty grand for a worthless piece of paper or twenty five grand for a decent motor?

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I was being specific to Kings Lynn, although I probably did not make that clear.

So, how will the inevetably higher running costs, and inevetable higher fares, "benefit the comsumer" in Kings Lynn?


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Would you care te expand on your definition of "Safe"?


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I was being specific to Kings Lynn, although I probably did not make that clear.

So, how will the inevetably higher running costs, and inevetable higher fares, "benefit the comsumer" in Kings Lynn?

In the same way a £50,000 plate value does, or more likely doesn't. :wink:

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So, how will the inevetably higher running costs, and inevetable higher fares, "benefit the comsumer" in Kings Lynn?


Cars are getting safer all the time, so surely that's one benefit?

And how does Lincoln's strict taxi spec help consumers with it's (presumably) higher fares?

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jimbo wrote:
I was being specific to Kings Lynn, although I probably did not make that clear.

So, how will the inevetably higher running costs, and inevetable higher fares, "benefit the comsumer" in Kings Lynn?


Inevitably higher running costs relate to an older vehicle not a newer one surely - if it were the other way round, as you suggest, then that most definitely would be specific to Kings Lynn! :shock:

Also, according to the January PHM league table, Kings Lynn is languishing perilously close to the bottom at position 344, not having had a fare rise since 2003. :oops:

Now I don't know if there has been a fare rise since those figures were published but if there hasn't then I would say that a significant rise was due any time now anyway - and that the length of time since the last one would be the overriding factor, with everything else paling into insignificance beside it. :roll:

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I was being specific to Kings Lynn, although I probably did not make that clear.

So, how will the inevetably higher running costs, and inevetable higher fares, "benefit the comsumer" in Kings Lynn?

In the same way a £50,000 plate value does, or more likely doesn't. :wink:


Fantasy, In Kings Lynn, and many other places, Lncoln,say.


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So, how will the inevetably higher running costs, and inevetable higher fares, "benefit the comsumer" in Kings Lynn?


Cars are getting safer all the time, so surely that's one benefit?

And how does Lincoln's strict taxi spec help consumers with it's (presumably) higher fares?


It doesn't, does it?


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So, how will the inevetably higher running costs, and inevetable higher fares, "benefit the comsumer" in Kings Lynn?


Cars are getting safer all the time, so surely that's one benefit?

And how does Lincoln's strict taxi spec help consumers with it's (presumably) higher fares?


CARS may be getting safer, but drivers are not. To paraphrase the glorious GLC Cars don't kill people, drivers do.


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CARS may be getting safer, but drivers are not. To paraphrase the glorious GLC Cars don't kill people, drivers do.

Which is why the sensible among us support the DSA taxi test. :wink:

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Sussex wrote:
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CARS may be getting safer, but drivers are not. To paraphrase the glorious GLC Cars don't kill people, drivers do.

Which is why the sensible among us support the DSA taxi test. :wink:


And a one day course, (wrong gear, mate) is going to change driver attitude?


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And a one day course, (wrong gear, mate) is going to change driver attitude?

It will if they have to repeat it every time they get a certain number of points over a certain time. :wink:

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jimbo wrote:
I was being specific to Kings Lynn, although I probably did not make that clear.

So, how will the inevetably higher running costs, and inevetable higher fares, "benefit the comsumer" in Kings Lynn?


I counted six responses to the above statement (seven if you count this one).

That/s the most I have personally come accross for a single post on any forum so far.

You certainly caused a stir with that one jimbo. :lol:

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Would you care te expand on your definition of "Safe"?


It would be better to let the Kings Lynn report expand on the safety aspect considering it is mentioned three times.

The report strongly supported the concept of quality regulation as a means by which to regulate driver and vehicle safety.

5. Amendment to the existing policy.

The existing policy requires that all new hackney carriage licenses are only
given to vehicles which are fully wheelchair accessible. In order to improve
the quality, safety and environmental impact of the fleet it is proposed that the following policy is adopted.

3. The Office of fair Trading (OFT) Report – November 2003

The OFT published it’s report The Regulation of Licensed Taxi and Private
Hire Vehicle (PHV) Services in the UK in November 2003. The report is
extensive covering a number of different aspects to hackney carriage and
PHV services however the most controversial aspect to the report was it’s
recommendation for the removal of limits on the issue of hackney carriage
plates. The report stated that quantity restriction should be removed as
consumers suffer through:

(i) Reduced availability of hackney carriages
(ii) Increased waiting times
(iii) Reduced choice
(iv) Reduced safety

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Sussex wrote:
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CARS may be getting safer, but drivers are not. To paraphrase the glorious GLC Cars don't kill people, drivers do.

Which is why the sensible among us support the DSA taxi test. :wink:


For "sensible," read "Gullible"

Do you really believe that if every qualified driver took a DSA test, that crashes, speeding, and bad driving would become a thing of the past?

No need to reply, we all know you actually think it would be so.


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We discussed that ad nauseum a few weeks ago jimbo, so there's no point in going over it all over again.

But suffice to say, the test might not make for perfect drivers, but it would help surely?

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