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 Post subject: Taxi Meters
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:36 pm 
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Do any private hire drivers have meters installed in their cars or are they just for hackneys only? I'm going to start taxiing soon and wondering if it would be better do have the price of the journey displayed to the customers than working it out at the end, or doesnt it make any odds?

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Meters can make your life easier if the journey gets complicated.

But chech your LA allows them - some forbid them in PH vehicles.

Have a look at these recent threads, where the issue was discussed:

http://taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3010

http://taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3130

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people dont like meters, we tried them once and our regulars were up in arms even though it meant they could not be overcharged.

meters scare people so very rarely you see them in PH trade.


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PhD wrote:
people dont like meters, we tried them once and our regulars were up in arms even though it meant they could not be overcharged.

Interesting. :-k

As a PH for many many years, yet never worked without a meter, I find that strange. Whenever punters deem to talk to me about meters they always say they prefer meters to charts/guesses.

As for me, I much prefer them too. If for no other reason than it must be nigh on impossible to charge waiting without a meter. :wink:

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.....which was acutally my next question - waiting. If your in a PH car with no meter do you charge people when you are waiting ? if so, what do you reccomend or is there a standard charge per minute ?

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You should be charging what the company say on their tarrif sheets. I wouldnt be without mine personally, i reccon it's worth about £50-60 a week extra to my takings.


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smiffyz (geoff) wrote:
You should be charging what the company say on their tarrif sheets. I wouldnt be without mine personally, i reccon it's worth about £50-60 a week extra to my takings.

I think the difficulty come whilst stuck in traffic. :?

How on earth can anyone really work out the correct waiting time without a meter, and the grief drivers must get trying to get the fare.

Still 40,000 LPH in London do it ok, so maybe it's just me. :roll:

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I just press the button when they get in and whatever it say's when we arrive at the destination is what they pay.
Although i do drive on "stopped" sometimes (milage only) for regular punters who use us 2-3 times a day. Providing there's not a huge jam!


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 Post subject: Re: Taxi Meters
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:33 pm 
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LeonElport wrote:
Do any private hire drivers have meters installed in their cars or are they just for hackneys only? I'm going to start taxiing soon and wondering if it would be better do have the price of the journey displayed to the customers than working it out at the end, or doesnt it make any odds?


There are many private hire firms who have meters installed in vehicles working on their system. If you have one installed it will have to be tested and sealed by the local council for the correct Tariff. The seal on the meter will be checked every time it goes for inspection and at such times there is an increase in fares.

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 Post subject: Re: Taxi Meters
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JD wrote:
LeonElport wrote:
Do any private hire drivers have meters installed in their cars or are they just for hackneys only? I'm going to start taxiing soon and wondering if it would be better do have the price of the journey displayed to the customers than working it out at the end, or doesnt it make any odds?


There are many private hire firms who have meters installed in vehicles working on their system. If you have one installed it will have to be tested and sealed by the local council for the correct Tariff. The seal on the meter will be checked every time it goes for inspection and at such times there is an increase in fares.

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Interesting point JD and correct.

But..............................................

being PH (not council controlled fares) how can they insist on the testing? Do i have to charge by the mile? What if i want to charge by 9/10 mile? (love to see our LO pacing down the road measuring 9/10 mile!) :mrgreen:


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smiffyz (geoff) wrote:
JD wrote:
LeonElport wrote:
Do any private hire drivers have meters installed in their cars or are they just for hackneys only? I'm going to start taxiing soon and wondering if it would be better do have the price of the journey displayed to the customers than working it out at the end, or doesnt it make any odds?


There are many private hire firms who have meters installed in vehicles working on their system. If you have one installed it will have to be tested and sealed by the local council for the correct Tariff. The seal on the meter will be checked every time it goes for inspection and at such times there is an increase in fares.

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Interesting point JD and correct.

But..............................................

being PH (not council controlled fares) how can they insist on the testing? Do i have to charge by the mile? What if i want to charge by 9/10 mile? (love to see our LO pacing down the road measuring 9/10 mile!) :mrgreen:


The only thing a council can do in respect of meters apart from testing them for the correct registered Tariff is to stop you from charging more than what is on the meter. The insistance can be found in the following section.

Section 71 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 states.

71 Taximeters (1) Nothing in this Act shall require any private hire vehicle to be equipped with any form of taximeter but no private hire vehicle so equipped shall be used for hire in a controlled district unless such taximeter has been tested and approved by or on behalf of the district council for the district or any other district council by which a vehicle licence in force for the vehicle was issued.

(2) Any person who —
(a) tampers with any seal on any taximeter without lawful excuse; or
(b) alters any taximeter with intent to mislead; or
(c) knowingly causes or permits a vehicle of which he is the proprietor to
be used in contravention of subsection (1) of this section. shall be
guilty of an offence.


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Some information on recent EU legislation in respect of measuring Taxi meters. I may have posted this before, or at least meant to.

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EU Measuring Instruments Directive: Consultation on Taximeters

Department for Transport

Date Dec 06, 2005

Abstract

Copies of the Department for Transport consultation which contains proposals on the implementation of Directive 2004/22 on measuring instruments in relation to taximeters, are available from

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/d ... 10660.hcsp

as at December 6, 2005. Comments by February 28, 2006. Legislation referred to European Parliament and Council Directive 2004/22 on measuring instruments.

(as at December 6, 2005)


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 Post subject: Re: Taxi Meters
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JD wrote:
Section 71 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 states.

I've always read that as saying that the meter must be council approved, not necessarily the rate.

If a council officer seals that meter then a case could be made that they approve that rate, and I'm not sure that's allowed.

IMO it should be the operator themselves that seal and check their PH meters, cos it's them were the bucks stops. :wink:

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Sussex wrote:
JD wrote:
Section 71 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 states.

I've always read that as saying that the meter must be council approved, not necessarily the rate.

If a council officer seals that meter then a case could be made that they approve that rate, and I'm not sure that's allowed.

IMO it should be the operator themselves that seal and check their PH meters, cos it's them were the bucks stops. :wink:


The council doesn't set the rate it only seals the meter and checks if the meter is at the correct rate which the private hire company has set.

Section 80 Interpretation of Part II states.

"taximeter" means any device for calculating the fare to be charged in respect of any journey in a hackney carriage or private hire vehicle by reference to the distance travelled or time elapsed since the start of the journey, or a combination of both;

I think sections 71, 80 and 60 combined, probably give the council the authority to police overcharging by P/H drivers who have meters fitted, if the company Tariff supplied by the P/H firm to the council is abused?

Section 68 states.

68 Fitness of hackney carriages and private hire vehicles Any authorised officer of the council in question or any constable shall have power at all reasonable times to inspect and test, for the purpose of ascertaining its fitness, any hackney carriage or private hire vehicle licensed by a district council, or any taximeter affixed to such a vehicle, and if he is not satisfied as to the fitness of the hackney carriage or private hire vehicle or as to the accuracy of its taximeter he may by notice in writing require the proprietor of the hackney carriage or private hire vehicle to make it or its taximeter available for further inspection and testing at such reasonable time and place as may be specified in the notice and suspend the vehicle licence until such time as such authorised officer or constable is so satisfied:

Provided that, if the authorised officer or constable is not so satisfied before the expiration of a period of two months, the said licence shall, by virtue of this section, be deemed to have been revoked and subsections (2) and (3) of section 60 of this Act shall apply with any necessary modifications.


Perhaps it could be construed that where a meter is fitted it should be in working order and sealed by the council, at the registered tarrif. One would assume any departure and in particular overcharging from the registered tariff was a breach of these conditions.

However you will know better than me who has responsibility of the sealing of meters in the P/H sector. I'm sure there are some posters on TDO who have meters and can perhaps tell us how their own council approaches the issue?

I'll find out tomorrow what the exact position is because although Hackneys have their fares set by councils backed up through bylaws etc it doesn't specifically say in the 1976 act that there is an actual offence for overcharging by P/H drivers. Excepting it does mention tampering with meters etc etc where the punishment could be revocation or suspension of the license.

Without doubt this P/H meter business needs clarifying because I can't think of any court cases specifically relating to P/H drivers charging more than what is on the meter?

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There certainly seems to be a plethora of different practices adopted by LAs, and I suppose it's safe to assume that they couldn't all stand up in court if challenged.

But if there's no case law on the subject then clarification of the whole issue seems unlikely.

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