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Rochdale facing travel chaos as frustrated bus and taxi drivers plan 24-hour strike on same day

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... d-22835459

Taxi drivers in Rochdale are to strike for 24 hours starting at 6am on Monday (January 24) and are set to cause chaos by a 'go slow' round the town centre.

It comes on the same day that First Bus drivers have planned the latest in a series of strikes over pay.

Hundreds of the 1,200 taxi drivers in Rochdale will also drive slowly around the town centre culminating in a 10am meeting at One Riverside - the main civic centre for the town.

Similar action, in protest over measures to introduce a clean air zone across Greater Manchester along with a common set of minimum licensing (MLS) standards, is understood to be planned by taxi drivers in each of the other nine boroughs in the city region.

The main thrust of the taxi drivers' grievance is that from January 31 a private hire vehicle must be less than five years old and vehicles more than 10 years old must be scrapped.

Abrar Hussain, owner of Cars 2000 in Rochdale, told the Manchester Evening News: "The cost of a vehicle less than five years old is in the region of £15,000. The majority of private hire cars in Rochdale are worth between £3,000 and £4,000.

"They are trying to impose the MLS in one of the most deprived towns in the country. Already, a lot of drivers have left the business because of Covid.

"They've retired or become delivery drivers because they can't make taxi-ing pay."

He said the majority of taxi customers in Rochdale are people who can't afford their own car.

"The MLS will push up fare prices to the point where people can't afford to get a taxi," he said. "We will lose a hell of a lot of drivers and fares will quadruple."

Referring to consultation over the MLS which took place in 2020, Mr Hussain said: "The consultation served no purpose because the council didn't listen to our concerns. We keep emailing them, but we got no replies."

Councillor Sarah Rowbotham, Rochdale's portfolio holder for climate change and sustainability, however, defended the introduction of the MLS.

She said: "In 2018, Greater Manchester’s 10 local authorities agreed to collectively develop, approve and implement a common set of minimum licensing standards (MLS) for taxis and private hire services.

"At that time the primary driver was to ensure public safety and public protection, but vehicle age and emission standards in the context of the GM clean air plan and decarbonisation agendas are also now major considerations.

"An eight-week Greater Manchester wide consultation took place between October 8 and December 3 2020 seeking feedback for the proposals of the MLS.

"We have met drivers a number of times to listen to their concerns and we are still listening very carefully to what drivers are telling us in the hope that further assistance and reassurance can be provided.

"It is unfortunate that the strike action is taking place across several Greater Manchester districts.

"However, we strongly believe that the MLS will benefit both drivers as well as customers, installing public confidence in a well-regulated taxi and private hire sector service, to deliver safe and high-quality services to residents and visitors in Rochdale and Greater Manchester, plus contributing to better air quality."

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 4:49 pm 
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Councils doing their bit to exacerbate the industry as usual.

It will not end well.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:13 am 
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Well this is bit of a slog :?

And if you don't think the photos are too exciting, don't bother visiting the MEN website for the video :lol:


'This is a working class area - prices can't go up': Hundreds of striking taxi drivers line streets in Clean Air Zone protest

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... s-22856098

"You can’t forget where you are - we are in a small town - so we can’t be charging anything other than comfortable rates"

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Hundreds of taxi drivers have taken to the streets of Rochdale in protest against plans for Clean Air Zone charges across Manchester today (January 24).

At the start of a working week, the usual bustle of taxis jostling for a fare outside the town's train station had disappeared.

Instead, private hire drivers were out on foot - with all taxi firms in the borough carrying out 24-hour strike action instead.

The first few weeks of 2022 in Greater Manchester have been dominated by complaints over the CAZ, which would see some commercial vehicles charged daily to enter the zone.

The firms, representing roughly around 1,200 drivers in Rochdale, were protesting against changes to the minimum standards required.

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It will mean hackney carriages and private hire vehicles must be less than five years old, and vehicles older than ten years must be scrapped.

Hundreds of taxi drivers gathered outside One Riverside - the main civic centre for the town.

The strike action began at 6am Monday and will continue until 6am on Tuesday morning (January 25).

Placards saying 'Save Our Trade' and 'Unjust and Unfair Minimum Standard' could be seen as speakers addressed the crowds outside the Rochdale Council offices.

While the Clean Air 'minimum standards' aim to create a greener environment by introducing new requirements around emissions, testing and accessibility, taxi drivers in Rochdale say they will come at a cost.

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Mohammed Nabeel, co-owner of Streamline Taxis Rochdale, attended the protest today and said he hoped the strike action would highlight a need for the proposals to be looked at again.

"We’ve come to strike for a reason and demonstrate how we feel,” Mohammed, who has co-owned the family business since 2016, told the M.E.N.

“We’ve taken time off work today to do this.

“The council needs to realise we’re not asleep - we are aware of what’s going on and what they’re trying to implement on us. It’s not right."

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Mohammed, whose family has run Streamline Taxis since the 1980s, said he feared the Clean Air minimum standards will force people out of the industry.

He explained: “It’s going to scare people away from the industry, for sure.

"It’s also going to cause a lot of damage to people’s livelihood and careers.

“I think it could get to the point where drivers will have no choice but to walk away from the trade.

“We know ourselves, without doing any research, a car less than five years old now is anything between £15-20,000 - that’s a lot of money.

"With fuel, MOT costs, licence fees and badge fees on top of that, it's absolutely ridiculous.

“Manchester is a city yet the price to licence a vehicle in the city centre is much less than us, and we're a town.

“That’s something that’s always been in place. We’ve always faced high prices and that’s only going to continue."

Mohammed said that he believes taxi firms in Rochdale already offer some of the lowest rates in the country, but fears that won't change should the proposals go ahead as currently stated.

“Prices would have to go up," he says.

“The prices in Rochdale are probably one of the lowest in all of the UK - they’re very low rates as it is - but there’s no way it will stay affordable for people with these changes.

"We have customers who have loyalty to us and the local firms here. You can’t forget where you are - we are in a small town - so we can’t be charging anything other than comfortable rates."

He mentioned one example today which already demonstrated what could happen should drivers be forced out of the area.

He said he logged onto one of the leading car ride apps this morning to find the cost of a two-mile trip that would originally cost around £3.50 had risen to £16.

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Mohammed said: "I fear, as an owner and a driver as well as a customer, that when these drivers are forced out of their jobs, these companies are going to start adding surcharges to everything.

"This is a working class area - prices can't just go up.

"Most people in Rochdale are getting a taxi to go to a hospital appointment or work, and have no alternative choice.

"To me it just doesn't feel right."

A statement from the Rochdale Association for Private Hire Drivers said that all licensed private hire drivers and their customers would be affected by the proposed changes.

The association said: "If the proposals go ahead, many drivers will be forced out of the trade and those that do continue will be hit with huge costs.

“As a result of this, the prices paid for taxis by customers will be significantly increased at a time where the global pandemic has already caused severe hardship.”

In a joint statement issued on behalf of all private hire drivers and operators in Rochdale, the protest was described as being the result of ‘poor consultation and ongoing unwillingness to engage in consultation talks’ between the firms and Rochdale Council.

The statement read: “Firstly, we would like to sincerely apologise to the local community for the disruption caused by the taxi trade strike.

“After many years of talks and meetings with RMBC, no mutual resolution has been met.

“To avoid strike action, we have made three further attempts to meet with RMBC representatives, but unfortunately, they refused to meet with us.

“After over 3 years of mostly remote consultations, RMBC has not taken any of our concerns on board and the proposals we put forward have been given zero consideration.

“As a result of poor consultation and ongoing unwillingness to engage in consultation talks, the private hire drivers across Rochdale and the neighbouring Boroughs have no option but to take action in order for their voices to be heard.

“RMBC has pushed the Clean Air & Minimum Licensing Standards through without thought to the financial impact on both the drivers and the general public, at a time when we're all going to struggle to recover from the results of the pandemic.

"It seems RMBC has little consideration for this.”

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The joint statement said while the firms and drivers collectively are ‘not against clean air’, they say the changes will burden drivers with ‘crippling finance costs’.

The statement explained: “These changes come at a time when the whole community is already under severe financial strain.

“We are not against Clean Air. However, daily charges will not improve air quality.

“We have since learnt that the daily charges have been temporarily paused.

“Clearly, this has not been well thought out. Originally, it was the Clean Air regulations that provided funding for taxi drivers to upgrade their vehicles.”

The statement said that the costs of meeting the regulations were ‘quite ridiculous and completely wasteful’.

It went on to warn that the restrictions could impose further disruptions to taxi services.

The statement concluded: “Public safety may be compromised as a result of no longer being able to afford to travel. Ensuring vulnerable people get home safely may no longer be an option. Ringing an ambulance instead of taking a taxi. These are scenarios we want to avoid.

“Taxi drivers are key workers and provide an essential service to the community. Taxi drivers transport people to work, school, medical appointments, to see vulnerable family members etc.

“Taxi drivers keep Rochdale moving.

“Please bear with us and support the taxi drivers so they can support you.”

Rochdale Council said the minimum licensing standards (MLS) for taxis and private hire services aim to ensure public safety and public protection, while also taking note of emission standards and decarbonisation agendas.

Councillor Sarah Rowbotham, Rochdale's portfolio holder for climate change and sustainability, said: "We have met drivers a number of times to listen to their concerns and we are still listening very carefully to what drivers are telling us in the hope that further assistance and reassurance can be provided.

"It is unfortunate that the strike action is taking place across several Greater Manchester districts.

"However, we strongly believe that the MLS will benefit both drivers as well as customers, installing public confidence in a well-regulated taxi and private hire sector service, to deliver safe and high-quality services to residents and visitors in Rochdale and Greater Manchester, plus contributing to better air quality."


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:05 pm 
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"He said he logged onto one of the leading car ride apps this morning to find the cost of a two-mile trip that would originally cost around £3.50 had risen to £16".

Whilst it is clear that the council introducing these measures will create more problems for the trade, one good (unintentional from the council) thing to come of it might be the increase in prices to one mentioned here by the Rochdale cabbie out of necessity.

Unfortunately, like a lot of licensed drivers in the industry the Rochdale drivers fear having to increase the prices and losing a lot of business and their income.

However, the only problem might be that due to the new rules such as having no vehicle older than 5 years old and the CAZ is that the prices will have to go very high due to the costs involved by the driver and also because there will be less drivers on the road due to drivers leaving the trade.

This will create a supply and demand inbalance raising prices further.

At least that will be a short term consequence, anyway.

If it does not get resolved then things may get worse.

I am convinced the councils' will backtrack on all these new rules once the consequences reveal themselves.

Whether it will be too little and too late by then is anyone's guess.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:22 pm 
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RTD wrote:
"He said he logged onto one of the leading car ride apps this morning to find the cost of a two-mile trip that would originally cost around £3.50 had risen to £16".

Funny, that's precisely the paragraph I meant to quote earlier, but forgot for some reason (it was early morning, or at least very late night for me...)

But you're right about the CAZ measures putting upward pressure on fares. (Or, alternatively, if fares don't move, then it would be detrimental to supply, or would depress plate values for HCs, or maybe wipe out plate values altogether.)


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:23 pm 
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But, of course, the problem is that the pricing cited by the Rochdale rep (it's presumably Uber on surge) is grossly exaggerated. And the clue to why it's grossly exaggerated is in Sussex's thread title.

So although fares could rise due to CAZ etc, it would be negligible compared to the Uber surge price quoted in the article, because that wasn't the cause. Which is just really an excuse to post this great meme I saw yesterday :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:27 pm 
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Of course, the cat may have caused the roof to buckle, so it may be the meme that's incorrect.

I mean, you'd be surprised how much cats actually weigh :lol: :lol: :lol:

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