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To be honest i dont like Hackneys,.


I am a Hack and I don't like most of the Hack drivers in our patch, I spend time supping coffee at PH offices, you always get a welcome and a good natter


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How many Hac's do you see driving right past punters who have started to walk?, they prefer to pick up at the rank, because they dont want the short £6-£7 jobs. The punters remember this and when it's raining they'll walk to an office rather than give the Hac's their custom.
An example is our local Train Station, we have an Office opposite and there's rank outside the station, we get a constant flow throughout the day into the office and they walk right past the Hac's.
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I being an Hack do drive past flaggers, its really knowing who are you going to pick up, do they look right, could they be a danger to me, all these things flash through your mind, if they look right pick em up, this takes a lot of experience, getting the right person in the car, sometimes I get it wrong but not often


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 Post subject: Re: kettle black
PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:57 am 
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do you not think your like its pot calling the kettle black what about 10 to 12 cars (hacks) making an illegal rank outside chicago rock thur/fri and sat. (ps there is no rank at all there) i went and looked for the little sign (still none there) . thur/fri and sat at a rank at red lion at s/heath fits 2 cars or cabs but for some reason you think you can put 15 on the otherside on a bus stop and a crossing ( both these ranks are illegal ) not to mention triple parking on b /Quay station and central (on bus stop again). and dont let me start when customers ask me why the white ones leave there meters off at the red lion in stockton heath coming in to town and charge £5.00 i say this because its only £3.00 on meter so all in all some people need to sort out there own act first and can certain members of the hackney trade get a life -p/h or hac are all out there doing the same thing (fares) putting up with the same lifestyle (earache of wife and kids included) for the same money, same abuse same threats just to earn a living.


i agree there are elements involved on both sides hac and ph that miss use the system ripping people off over ranking ilgal ranking etc and these people should be reported and lose there licence the problem in warrington is the taxi licencing office!! nothiing seems to be done around the town to improve the trade, they don't seem to care if the hacs over rank or ph form ranks the council even admit that there arn't enough rank spaces around the town to service the existing hacs but they still intend to release more hac plates making this problem worse i would like nothing better than to see the ranks enforced and the other ranks around the town used because i think there is alot of untaped work in the town the problem is most of the other ranks used as parking spaces for the gen public and no effot is made from the council to keep them clear yes and you might say they would be clear if we use them but the problem is now getting them clear in the first place not to mention the bad placement of some of them like the ones at asda 2 2 car ranks about 20 yrds apart when most towns have a good 6 car ranks outside there supermarkets in the new shopping centre and bus station there was suposed to be a 6 car rank but its now a 3 car rank because bailey complained that his drivers would have nowhere to drop off or pickup his passengers what has that got to do with the size of the propsed rank and why the drop off zone has to be right next to it is beyond me as it doesn't help us and if you guys are running late the fare may jump in one of the 3 hacs waiting there and leaving you with a no job i think our council needs to take a good hard look into its licencing department and the people running it because all they seem to care about is getting xxx many ph and hacs on the road and sod the people already working!!!


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So why not try and work together a bit more and see if we cant sort out some of these problems.
BRING BACK DAVE LOWE!!!


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 Post subject: WELL SAID GEOFF
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WELL SAID GEOFF THAT THE BEST THING YOU HAVE SAID BRING BACK DAVE LOWE I WOULD VOTE FOR THAT. I KNOW WE ARE ALL OUT THERE TRYING TO EARN MONEY BUT DONT YOU THINK THE COUNCIL IS MAKING IT HARDER FOR US ALL. WE THE HAC DRIVERS OF WARRINGTON ARE NOT HAVING A GO AT YOU GUYS BUT THE COUNCIL BUT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD USE THE RANKS OR LOSE THEM, SO WHAT WOULD YOU DO GEOFF? AS FOR WORKING FOR ABBA / CROWN IM SORRY BUT I HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE AND I CANT PUT UP WITH THE FEEDING THAT GOSE ON AND MUST AGREE WITH THAT UNLESS YOU ARE ON THE FAMILY CHANNEL. I HAVE BEEN IN OFFICE 2 WHEN JOBS COME IN AND THE BASE OP TXT THE JOB OUT TO ONE OF HER MATES YOU NO THAT TRUE. AND I UDERSTAND WHY YOU LEFT CROWN WESTON DIDNT GIVE A S**T ONLY WANTED YOUR MONEY. BUT I MUST SAY THE BOSS AT ABBA IS NOT MUCH BETTER HE WILL TELL YOU ONE THING JUST TO GET RID OF YOU. I WAS TALKING TO SOME OF YOUR DRIVERS LAST NIGHT WE WERE TRYING TO TELL THEM THAT THE CROWN RANK IS NOT THEIRS BUT A HACKNEY RANK AND YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO RANK UP THERE AS MOST OF THEM AGREED WITH. SO GEOFF YOU NO THERE IS WORK OUT THERE FOR US ALL SO YOU WORK THE OFFICES AND WE WILL WORK THE RANKS. EASY. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE PICS AND VIDEO HAVE BEEN PASTED ON TO MR STEVENSON. AS FOR US RANKING OUTSIDE THE ROCK AND THE RED LION THERE IS GOING TO BE 5 CAR RANK THERE AND AT THE LION WE HAVE BEEN TOLD TO USE THE BUS STOP AFTER 10.30 PM AS FOR CENTRAL I HAVE COUNTED 10/15 CARS OUTSIDE YOUR OFFICE THERE. HAVE YOU SEEN THE BUS STANDS ON WINWICK ST IM SURE YOU HAVE WE HAVE BEEN TOLD TO USE THM AS FEEDER RANKS WHEN POSS. SEE THE THING IS THEY ARE BUS STANDS AND NOT BUS STOPS AND WE CAN USE THEM. HAS BAILEY TOLD YOU THAT? NO . WELL GEOFF IF YOU DONT WANT TO REPLY THATS FINE NO PROBS.

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 Post subject: Re: kettle black
PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:01 pm 
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dinkidoo wrote:
do you not think your like its pot calling the kettle black what about 10 to 12 cars (hacks) making an illegal rank outside chicago rock thur/fri and sat. (ps there is no rank at all there) i went and looked for the little sign (still none there) . thur/fri and sat at a rank at red lion at s/heath fits 2 cars or cabs but for some reason you think you can put 15 on the otherside on a bus stop and a crossing ( both these ranks are illegal ) not to mention triple parking on b /Quay station and central (on bus stop again). and dont let me start when customers ask me why the white ones leave there meters off at the red lion in stockton heath coming in to town and charge £5.00 i say this because its only £3.00 on meter so all in all some people need to sort out there own act first and can certain members of the hackney trade get a life -p/h or hac are all out there doing the same thing (fares) putting up with the same lifestyle (earache of wife and kids included) for the same money, same abuse same threats just to earn a living.


i agree there are elements involved on both sides hac and ph that miss use the system ripping people off over ranking ilgal ranking etc and these people should be reported and lose there licence the problem in warrington is the taxi licencing office!! nothiing seems to be done around the town to improve the trade, they don't seem to care if the hacs over rank or ph form ranks the council even admit that there arn't enough rank spaces around the town to service the existing hacs but they still intend to release more hac plates making this problem worse i would like nothing better than to see the ranks enforced and the other ranks around the town used because i think there is alot of untaped work in the town the problem is most of the other ranks used as parking spaces for the gen public and no effot is made from the council to keep them clear yes and you might say they would be clear if we use them but the problem is now getting them clear in the first place not to mention the bad placement of some of them like the ones at asda 2 2 car ranks about 20 yrds apart when most towns have a good 6 car ranks outside there supermarkets in the new shopping centre and bus station there was suposed to be a 6 car rank but its now a 3 car rank because bailey complained that his drivers would have nowhere to drop off or pickup his passengers what has that got to do with the size of the propsed rank and why the drop off zone has to be right next to it is beyond me as it doesn't help us and if you guys are running late the fare may jump in one of the 3 hacs waiting there and leaving you with a no job i think our council needs to take a good hard look into its licencing department and the people running it because all they seem to care about is getting xxx many ph and hacs on the road and sod the people already working!!!


Ok, so we agree on some of the points raised by dinkidoo ( :lol: ) As for the LO, he has a job to do and he does it by the book which is, at the end of the day the way it should be done and like it or loath it we all know where we stand.
The PH are'nt forming ranks with the intention of taking flags from the Hac's, they're parked up outside the Office waiting for the punters to book in so they can take them home,you know as well as i do that this is the case, you can see it every night on Rylands St.
Drivers cant seem to grasp that if a punter walks past a rank full of Hac's and goes into a PH Office to get a ride home that's their choice, it does no good puling a plod and complaining to him about it, like one of you did last week. And that's what's caused all this stupid video lark, as far as i can gather.
The bad placement of the ranks is a problem, and so is not having a shelter for the punters, but it does no good going in and shouting the odds about it. The only way to improve them is thru constructive dialogue with the people concerned, chip away at them.
Regarding the reduced rank at the new Bus Station, it sounds like it was badly designed from the outset. But to complain that Abba had it reduced at the expense of the Hac's is absurd, PH have every right to pick up and drop off near to the enterance the same as you do. The problem, as is the case with the whole town is the design of the thing.
The whole Taxi/PH community are split into little factions all fighting eachother, and until we can go into a meeting as one body (500+) rather than in dribs and drabs things wont improve for anyone.
It doesnt help when you get the pleb posting as "wire" spouting his mouth off and making threats to all and sundry and trying to goad people into an even bigger split than we have already.


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 Post subject: Re: kettle black
PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:15 pm 
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smiffyz (geoff) wrote:
The whole Taxi/PH community are split into little factions all fighting eachother, and until we can go into a meeting as one body (500+) rather than in dribs and drabs things wont improve for anyone.

What you need to start off with is one issue that you can all agree on.

But if you find that then FFS tell me because I've spent years looking. :lol: :lol:

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how about finding someone who will go and ask p/h drivers whats up and then and go to the hacks and ask them and then go to the LA and say via the proper channels that these are the possible problems :- so can you address them if you can`t who can. and take it from there. but thats the only way to do it via the right channels as long as the problems exist in the first place and not a load of bull to get some attention . p/h and hacks have have worked together in this country for years earned a living so i dont see why some driver should stir over nothing when there is possable real issues that they should be useing there time on. but some people just like to feel there important without doing anything to deserve it (they should be in the house off commons) ha ha lol


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:23 pm 
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To be honest i dont like Hackneys, i dont like the drivers attitude because they dont really have a boss who can take away their radio. I know the council is there but i think Hackneys get away with a lot more than PHD's.


I feel that a different point here has been missed. I truly get the feeling that there is some kind collusion between certain parties towards a dominant PH taxi company. It feel as tthough the taxi licensing off. is trying to crow bar us HC into working with a radio, because he simply doesnt trust us. With a hackney car the accountability stops as soon as a fare gets out of the car. I heard a PH office marshall telling a customer that if you get in a HC and leave your bag/phone/etc in the car, then u aint gonna get it back because we are untraceable. NOT TRUE, HC are as traceable as any other car PH or HC because of those silly flimsy little plates we are required to put on our cars. The problem is public education, Punters in warrington rarely know the difference between a PH and a HC, WHAT IS MORE, NEITHER DO THE POLICE. Also i have seen the trade in "LOST" phones etc in both PH offices and on TAXI ranks. pot and kettle comes to mind!

In my opinion Taxi licensing believe that if all hackneys are on a radio then enforcement will be easier. I was looking at the reports from 2 years ago (2004) and 140 offences were enforced over the year to the tune of over 180 hours overtime put in by licensing officials. I'm sorry but what are they doing during their non overtime hours? surely enforcement is part of their remit in the (non overtime) hours allocated.

It seems to me that licensing need to get off their a**es and do some real work instead of trying to administrate us into a corner. I am a HC driver and I wholly accept that there are problems with both PH and HC conduct.
But the people who should be sorting this out are too busy charging us 25 pounds for a missed insurance disc (like a tax disc as proof insurance on the vehicle u r working in) instead of putting "mystery" fares out there to stamp out over charging on both ends of the spectrum PH and HC. Certain Drivers over charge because not one of em has heard of this happening in recent history. I sure as hell havent!

All in all licensing need to stamp out the bad sides (or at least try) on both sides if the coin and MAYBE JUST MAYBE we can come together and sort out the rest.

MAKE THIS PROFESSION SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF ONCE MORE!!!


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:23 pm 
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PhD wrote:
To be honest i dont like Hackneys, i dont like the drivers attitude because they dont really have a boss who can take away their radio. I know the council is there but i think Hackneys get away with a lot more than PHD's.


I feel that a different point here has been missed. I truly get the feeling that there is some kind collusion between certain parties towards a dominant PH taxi company. It feel as tthough the taxi licensing off. is trying to crow bar us HC into working with a radio, because he simply doesnt trust us. With a hackney car the accountability stops as soon as a fare gets out of the car. I heard a PH office marshall telling a customer that if you get in a HC and leave your bag/phone/etc in the car, then u aint gonna get it back because we are untraceable. NOT TRUE, HC are as traceable as any other car PH or HC because of those silly flimsy little plates we are required to put on our cars. The problem is public education, Punters in warrington rarely know the difference between a PH and a HC, WHAT IS MORE, NEITHER DO THE POLICE. Also i have seen the trade in "LOST" phones etc in both PH offices and on TAXI ranks. pot and kettle comes to mind!

In my opinion Taxi licensing believe that if all hackneys are on a radio then enforcement will be easier. I was looking at the reports from 2 years ago (2004) and 140 offences were enforced over the year to the tune of over 180 hours overtime put in by licensing officials. I'm sorry but what are they doing during their non overtime hours? surely enforcement is part of their remit in the (non overtime) hours allocated.

It seems to me that licensing need to get off their a**es and do some real work instead of trying to administrate us into a corner. I am a HC driver and I wholly accept that there are problems with both PH and HC conduct.
But the people who should be sorting this out are too busy charging us 25 pounds for a missed insurance disc (like a tax disc as proof insurance on the vehicle u r working in) instead of putting "mystery" fares out there to stamp out over charging on both ends of the spectrum PH and HC. Certain Drivers over charge because not one of em has heard of this happening in recent history. I sure as hell havent!

All in all licensing need to stamp out the bad sides (or at least try) on both sides if the coin and MAYBE JUST MAYBE we can come together and sort out the rest.

MAKE THIS PROFESSION SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF ONCE MORE!!!


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And the winner of pillock of the month is ME.

Trying to tidy up the site, and remove avatars ( http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/vie ... php?t=1148 ) that have been borrowed from existing members, I deleted poor old Mr OzoneFlyerCabDriver by mistake. #-o

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Alex wrote:
And the winner of pillock of the month is ME.

Trying to tidy up the site, and remove avatars ( http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/vie ... php?t=1148 ) that have been borrowed from existing members, I deleted poor old Mr OzoneFlyerCabDriver by mistake. #-o

So Mr OzoneFlyerCabDriver, please register again, and I promise on my honour that you will last more than a few hours. :oops:

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Alex wrote:
And the winner of pillock of the month is ME.

Trying to tidy up the site, and remove avatars ( http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/vie ... php?t=1148 ) that have been borrowed from existing members, I deleted poor old Mr OzoneFlyerCabDriver by mistake. #-o

So Mr OzoneFlyerCabDriver, please register again, and I promise on my honour that you will last more than a few hours. :oops:

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PhD wrote:
To be honest i dont like Hackneys, i dont like the drivers attitude because they dont really have a boss who can take away their radio. I know the council is there but i think Hackneys get away with a lot more than PHD's.


I feel that a different point here has been missed. I truly get the feeling that there is some kind collusion between certain parties towards a dominant PH taxi company. It feel as tthough the taxi licensing off. is trying to crow bar us HC into working with a radio, because he simply doesnt trust us. With a hackney car the accountability stops as soon as a fare gets out of the car. I heard a PH office marshall telling a customer that if you get in a HC and leave your bag/phone/etc in the car, then u aint gonna get it back because we are untraceable. NOT TRUE, HC are as traceable as any other car PH or HC because of those silly flimsy little plates we are required to put on our cars. The problem is public education, Punters in warrington rarely know the difference between a PH and a HC, WHAT IS MORE, NEITHER DO THE POLICE. Also i have seen the trade in "LOST" phones etc in both PH offices and on TAXI ranks. pot and kettle comes to mind!

In my opinion Taxi licensing believe that if all hackneys are on a radio then enforcement will be easier. I was looking at the reports from 2 years ago (2004) and 140 offences were enforced over the year to the tune of over 180 hours overtime put in by licensing officials. I'm sorry but what are they doing during their non overtime hours? surely enforcement is part of their remit in the (non overtime) hours allocated.

It seems to me that licensing need to get off their a**es and do some real work instead of trying to administrate us into a corner. I am a HC driver and I wholly accept that there are problems with both PH and HC conduct.
But the people who should be sorting this out are too busy charging us 25 pounds for a missed insurance disc (like a tax disc as proof insurance on the vehicle u r working in) instead of putting "mystery" fares out there to stamp out over charging on both ends of the spectrum PH and HC. Certain Drivers over charge because not one of em has heard of this happening in recent history. I sure as hell havent!

All in all licensing need to stamp out the bad sides (or at least try) on both sides if the coin and MAYBE JUST MAYBE we can come together and sort out the rest.

MAKE THIS PROFESSION SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF ONCE MORE!!!


I agree with some of what your saying, it makes sense, i wouldnt say favouritism exists, if someone adheres to the rules and asks for advice from the LO then he (the LO) will form more of a rapport with him because his advice is taken in.

How would a customer who's left his Mobile or other belongings in a Hac get it back the next day? If you were to stop 100 punters getting out of a Hac after a journey, turn their back to the car and ask them to give you the plate number, how many would get it right? A maximum of 1!
I've sat in the Office and listened to base staff take calls from punters who've left things in cars, its a nightmare! Most dont even know where they were picked up from, it's a good job they all know their names! or we'd all be in the mire. Imagine trying to trace a Hac that took you home!

Oh they know the difference between a Hac and a PH alright, otherwise "wire" wouldnt have to "empty your office geoff" and "you can have an early night geoff" would he!

I cant understand the expense they spend on policing manchester Airport, when he can walk into any office and pull as many drivers as he wants to in 10 mins!
Dont get me going on the Insurance discs! Or the "we dont refund monies under £40!
I'll try that with my Council Tax!!


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