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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:32 pm 
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Oops, that will teach me to try to get involved in a subject I knew little about :oops:

Nice to start a good debate though :)


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:34 pm 
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Andy7 wrote:
I know someone will kick me again, but... Jason has PMR and GPRS working together already with the simbox or whatever its called that interfaces between the PMR and the PDA or XDA etc.

Controvosy eh? Don't ya just love it.

Still using pen and bits of paper here. :roll:


Hi Andy
Yep I knew that Jason had it working and others are just finising it off. I beleive that Auriga do have it working also.

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Don wrote:
Tom Thumb wrote:
Sofor the time being I believe we will see the smaller more specialised companies move to GPRS and the number crunchers sticking to PMR.

It will only take one of the megafleet to change and prove it works forthe rest to follow.


I agree. At present in this contry, several Taxi comapnies (not megafleet) but with 150 and 250 cars have moved to GPRS with satisfactory results.

Non-Taxi comapnies such as the AA use GPRS now.
Quote from the following link:"Andrew Hawkins, Mobile Solutions Specialist at Detica, said: "The trend towards mobile working based on GPRS technology is one which is growing fast. The AA's long history of maintaining a mobile-based workforce has meant they have immediately recognised the benefits this technology could bring through a more efficient service to members."
http://www.detica.com/indexed/NewsItem_InformationToAAPatrols.htm

In other countries like Singapore, larger taxi firms have switched to GPRS.
see:
http://business.singtel.com/upload_hub/mnc/SmartCab_Mar_2004.pdf

http://www.stee.st.com.sg/newsRm/pdf/yr03/Aug/CityCabTrade110803.pdf

People of such organisations do not make such decisions lightly.


Don,
Yes lots of good links, SO WHAT! ITS NOT THE BE ALL AND END ALL for everyone. Police forces in the UK have Tetra but some of them are now using mobicom/transcom or whatever you want to call it for data services like accessing the PNC.

We can all post lots of links Don please get back to the debate and discuse some of the issues I have raised. Would be interested in hearing your views for discussion / debate

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Don,
Yes lots of good links, SO WHAT! ITS NOT THE BE ALL AND END ALL for everyone. Police forces in the UK have Tetra but some of them are now using mobicom/transcom or whatever you want to call it for data services like accessing the PNC.

We can all post lots of links Don please get back to the debate and discuse some of the issues I have raised. Would be interested in hearing your views for discussion / debate

regards


It is hard to have a sensible debate with you.

- If I say: GPRS is reliable and cost effective enough for small companies as wel as large companies
You accuse me of misinforming people

-If I present you with some link to some decision made by large organisation which reliable and cost effective communication is important to them
You say: So what

- If I make any comment about re-launching CT4000 datahead "Officially" after more than a year
You get upset about my comments and accuse me of all sort

I think the debate on this issue will go on and on. Only time will prove on the direction of technology.

Generally, people are looking to run faster and more demanding applications every year. The trend in broadband is going that way and the trend in wireless data communication is going the same way which PMR will not be able to handle it efficiently due to its nature of technology.

I love to see the roaming between GPRS and PMR in real field. Let us all know when some actually starts using it. We have enough from sales people.


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Don wrote:
Radioman wrote:
Don,
Yes lots of good links, SO WHAT! ITS NOT THE BE ALL AND END ALL for everyone. Police forces in the UK have Tetra but some of them are now using mobicom/transcom or whatever you want to call it for data services like accessing the PNC.

We can all post lots of links Don please get back to the debate and discuse some of the issues I have raised. Would be interested in hearing your views for discussion / debate

regards


It is hard to have a sensible debate with you.

- If I say: GPRS is reliable and cost effective enough for small companies as wel as large companies
You accuse me of misinforming people

-If I present you with some link to some decision made by large organisation which reliable and cost effective communication is important to them
You say: So what

- If I make any comment about re-launching CT4000 datahead "Officially" after more than a year
You get upset about my comments and accuse me of all sort

I think the debate on this issue will go on and on. Only time will prove on the direction of technology.

Generally, people are looking to run faster and more demanding applications every year. The trend in broadband is going that way and the trend in wireless data communication is going the same way which PMR will not be able to handle it efficiently due to its nature of technology.

I love to see the roaming between GPRS and PMR in real field. Let us all know when some actually starts using it. We have enough from sales people.


Don

I love a good debate and discussion. You have made various statments regarding GPRS and PMR, I have challenged you regarding these statements and asked you to back them up.

You come out with links to people who use GPRS, I can provide you with lots of links if you want.

Please Don answer the questions and back up the statements you have made, this is all what has been asked.

Lets debate the techonology. Remember Don I know of large companies 3000 and 600 cars who are running GPRS and they do like it. I have other people interested in it and have discussed it with others. Even Tom Thumb knows that I agreed with the road he went down with for GPRS, it was a good business decision for him.

I also have another customer who runs Cordic in his small fleet but runs another system for his main fleet.

I have been involved in data communications for a number of years installaing large systems for the likes of Safeway and Tesco to name a few.

So lets get back to the various issues that I raised and go thru each of them.

I shall go thru your posting again and pic out the main parts that you raised for GPRS and against PMR. We can look at them and discuse them as well as others adding things etc.

I will try and keep the things as non-technical as possible and I think we should move this to a new thread.

Everyone can learn the pros and cons of both PMR and GPRS.

regards


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:33 pm 
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Don,
Yes lots of good links, SO WHAT! ITS NOT THE BE ALL AND END ALL for everyone. Police forces in the UK have Tetra but some of them are now using mobicom/transcom or whatever you want to call it for data services like accessing the PNC.

We can all post lots of links Don please get back to the debate and discuse some of the issues I have raised. Would be interested in hearing your views for discussion / debate

regards




It is hard to have a sensible debate with you.

- If I say: GPRS is reliable and cost effective enough for small companies as wel as large companies
You accuse me of misinforming people

-If I present you with some link to some decision made by large organisation which reliable and cost effective communication is important to them
You say: So what

- If I make any comment about re-launching CT4000 datahead "Officially" after more than a year
You get upset about my comments and accuse me of all sort


Here here =D> =D>

You have made some realy valid points on this forum so far, in what six or seven posts, and yes time will tell but we have to consider how much time we all have already invested in what comes next. I for one am more than confident than I have ever been that it will not be long before we get it then the technology explosion will start and the suppliers will not be able to cope.

Good times for all ahead, I predict the time frame soon.

However I have not received an answer on the Dual band equipment is that because I am too thick to deserve one?? 8)

Regards Eric


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Eric the viking wrote:
Here here =D> =D>

You have made some realy valid points on this forum so far, in what six or seven posts, and yes time will tell but we have to consider how much time we all have already invested in what comes next. I for one am more than confident than I have ever been that it will not be long before we get it then the technology explosion will start and the suppliers will not be able to cope.

Good times for all ahead, I predict the time frame soon.

However I have not received an answer on the Dual band equipment is that because I am too thick to deserve one?? 8)

Regards Eric


Eric,
Yes some one has made valid points but also made points which are not so valid and other things have been said which I certainly consider as misleading and inaccurate.

Lets move this to another thread and discuse it. Auriga will be loving the fact that the attention has been moved from their new Evocab system :P


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Sussex way out of his depth here. 8-[

On a 100 car fleet what is cheaper to run, in the long run?

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PMR is cheaper to run for the average taxi fleet. But, its not totally a cost issue Uncle Sussex. Most cabbys have a mobile for getting in touch with base when out of PMR range, and if a lot of your work is long run stuff then GPRS offers a load of savings.

Its still horses for courses in my humble (I emphasise: humble) opinion.

The best bet for the average fleet has gotta be dual-platform stuff. It is the natural interim move at very least. Dual-platform will allow an operator to gradually change over too. Think of that from an economic view, and the capital costs, although a little bit higher, can be spread over a longer period, saving more than the equivalent interest if you had to, say, borrow to re-fit a fleet.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:00 pm 
i wonder why i bother.
i put all this on here about how bad evode is and old scanner from the liars has had nothing but problems with it since they put it up last week. :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:24 am 
old techie liar has said his auriga went in well.
i suggest he gets out of his ivery towre and ask the lads on the ranks.
if he nos where they are.:lol:
still if losing hundreds of phone calls over the weekend is good.
then more fool him.
went it well he is aving a laff. :lol: :lol:

but if i was the plank that told the dumbos on the committee to spend over £300,000. i cant see me saying sorry lads its a pile of poo.
can you? :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:12 pm 
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Well he says he is out on the road.

Also reckons you should go and join his mob.


From what he says turn by turn nav will be an optional extra on CT4000.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:31 pm 
Tom Thumb wrote:
Also reckons you should go and join his mob.

no hacks have to buy into his firm.
so instaed of just one boss.
on that mob you have over a 100. :shock:
but anyway they are either going to join up with the other streemline. Now that would be fun.
or join up with the firm that runs Adur cars.
cant wait fore the fall out when that happens. :wink:


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As far i see this system evocab is only good for the despatcher...getting rid of outsiding jobs which ends up as no jobs

its taking away the experience of the driver


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A clear indication of how good Evocab is can be seen on page 58 of PHM.


'Are you sure these are the right coordinates for the pick up boss?'

:lol: :lol:

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