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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 11:26 am 
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That bloke. Ian Shanks who is hanging out the mondeo for the newspaper article. His fares are high. But I refuse to rent a data from that office.

Sign a disclaimer before starting to state you will not work unreasonable hours. Covering himself if you are grafting to make a living.
4 weeks holiday per year otherwise you can be off but need to pay full rent.
Week before during and after Christmas is full rent if you are off or not.
Messages random drivers daily. Full uniform standing next to your clean car In a photo or you are taken off the road.

I once graft there and went to pay my rent in a winter jacket. Minus outside.
Told me to wear an office fleece or take it off.
Asked where I get an office fleece from. He said me. I will take £35 off your account work to pay for it.

I wasn’t there long.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:13 pm 
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StuartW wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly with most of what you're saying about this, RTD, but I mean this? :-o

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EVs are not green. They require 500,000 tons (yes tons) of Earth dug out of the ground to make just 1 battery.

500,000 tons is about 25,000 truckloads of earth. Or about the weight of 50 Eiffel towers :-o :-o

If your claim was true each battery would probably cost millions of pounds. Or something like that.

A quick Google suggests your stat is based on a claim that the figure was 500,000 lbs, so your number exaggerates the original claim by a factor of 2,000 :shock:

And even the 500,000 lbs claim is said to be grossly exaggerated. Can't be bothered wading through it all, and of course there will be exaggeration and bias on both sides of the argument.

But I'd bet you a £zillion that the 500,000 tons claim is ludicrously exaggerated. And, as I've said billions of times, DO NOT EXAGGERATE :lol:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... ing-and-t/



Yes. Made a mistake there.

It's 500,000 pounds and not tonnes.
References here: https://www.australiannationalreview.co ... o-battery/
and here: https://www.manhattan-institute.org/min ... lity-check

Still a ridiculous amount of resources.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:17 pm 
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westgatelad wrote:
I’m sure if I hear correctly. You need to drive an electric car over 100k before it is carbon neutral.

I cave an EU6 engine. I will get another car once this one is finished. But I feel for lads scraping by with 16 plates etc. £12.50 is a massive chunk of earnings per day.

Especially as fares are £3 flags. £1.70 a mile.


Yes. The figures vary depending on the type of car you currently drive and what electric car you replace it with etc.

But anywhere from 80,000 miles upward seems to be the mileage you need to hit before it makes sense to adopt an EV over a standard ICE vehicle.

Although I have not checked my guess is if you do over 150,000 miles in a ICE that EV mileage probably has to be even higher that that 80,000 figure. The more miles in your ICE the more miles you would need to put on your EV.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:21 pm 
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westgatelad wrote:
I’m sure if I hear correctly. You need to drive an electric car over 100k before it is carbon neutral.

I cave an EU6 engine. I will get another car once this one is finished. But I feel for lads scraping by with 16 plates etc. £12.50 is a massive chunk of earnings per day.

Especially as fares are £3 flags. £1.70 a mile.


The figures don't add up to invest in a black cab EV at over £60,000 retail.

Only a small percentage of hackney drivers around the country would be able to recoup their investment from that major purchase.

The risk to reward for most drivers would force them to either leave the trade or change to PH.

Regular saloon EVs are cheaper so that would be mor practical in some cases.

I think if the councils force HC drivers to adopt a black EV cab at over £60,000 then most will change to PH.

It will be interesting what the councils do then.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:24 pm 
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westgatelad wrote:
That bloke. Ian Shanks who is hanging out the mondeo for the newspaper article. His fares are high. But I refuse to rent a data from that office.

Sign a disclaimer before starting to state you will not work unreasonable hours. Covering himself if you are grafting to make a living.
4 weeks holiday per year otherwise you can be off but need to pay full rent.
Week before during and after Christmas is full rent if you are off or not.
Messages random drivers daily. Full uniform standing next to your clean car In a photo or you are taken off the road.

I once graft there and went to pay my rent in a winter jacket. Minus outside.
Told me to wear an office fleece or take it off.
Asked where I get an office fleece from. He said me. I will take £35 off your account work to pay for it.

I wasn’t there long.


That's incredible. 4 weeks forced holiday and still have to pay rent to the company?

That model can't last long in today's world with Uber and Deliveroo etc.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:17 pm 
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Some might have guessed that I'm not a massive fan of Uber.

However I'm a fan of the utter grief they have given to some of the large, some say spiv-led, operators in the UK.

Those spivs were massive fans of cross-border hiring until Uber took it to a much higher level and semi-f***ed their businesses.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:56 pm 
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RTD wrote:
That's incredible. 4 weeks forced holiday and still have to pay rent to the company?

RTD, just in case WGL doesn't post for a while, I read what he said to mean that drivers could take four weeks off without paying rent, but had to pay rent for any other time they wanted off in excess of the four weeks:

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4 weeks holiday per year otherwise you can be off but need to pay full rent.

So, essentially, there's no control over how much time you take off, or you can work non-stop without holidays if you want :-o

But if you want to take more than four weeks off you can't do that unless you pay rent for any time off exceeding four weeks :?

When I paid a 'franchise' in St Andrews, we had to pay it 52 weeks regardless of whether the car was on the road or not (although the vast majority of cars had other drivers on them as well as the owner-driver, or were fleet owned, and I think at that time I was the only 'singled' car).

I recall one driver who had endless problems with his motor over several months, and he must have paid thousands in franchise when the car was off the road, and that, combined with the repair costs on the car, finished him off financially.

I didn't have any problems with the car while there, but only lasted a few months anyway :roll:


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:13 pm 
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That's even worse.

That is slavery in its truest form.

How that was even permitted is difficult to fathom.

Why the drivers signed up for that is also puzzling.

My guess is the company in St Andrews had a monopoly so could offer those terms which were exploiting the drivers and very unfair terms.

I really can't believe this practice was around especially in the last 50 years.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:31 pm 
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westgatelad wrote:
That bloke. Ian Shanks who is hanging out the mondeo for the newspaper article. His fares are high. But I refuse to rent a data from that office.

Sign a disclaimer before starting to state you will not work unreasonable hours. Covering himself if you are grafting to make a living.
4 weeks holiday per year otherwise you can be off but need to pay full rent.
Week before during and after Christmas is full rent if you are off or not.
Messages random drivers daily. Full uniform standing next to your clean car In a photo or you are taken off the road.

I once graft there and went to pay my rent in a winter jacket. Minus outside.
Told me to wear an office fleece or take it off.
Asked where I get an office fleece from. He said me. I will take £35 off your account work to pay for it.

I wasn’t there long.


Mr. Shanks is raising on behalf of the trade the anomalies and blatant discrimination of the grant scheme, What are you doing about this,it appears nothing at all but try to crucify someone that is.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:28 pm 
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Are the LEZ fees charged at one daily rate for multiple infringements in and out of the zone or do you incur a seperate charge each time and every time you enter and leave and then re-enter the zone.

If it's just one daily charge and you own several taxis or PHs then your going to wring the pips out of a few Fee charged vehicles and their drivers rather than use several more cars and drivers.....some drivers will lose out big time and others will cream it in as their bosses attempt to save on charges, not a fair system at all.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:48 pm 
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£12.50 per day if you cross the zone. Any amount of times it will still be £12.50

So if you drop off at 23:59 and are not out the caz before 00:01. £25 charged.


As for Shanks. My reply. He will post in the paper not for helping his drivers. But to line his pocket. He has again achieved FREE advertising.

Don’t stick up for the bloke. He is the Mike Ashley of the taxi trade.

Edit: Yes he wants to raise the total of allowance for a new vehicle. Because he sells his cars to drivers for extortionate interest added totals. Then you must use his insurance.

I am using energy typing about the bloke. I won’t waste any more of my finger time.


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