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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2023 4:30 pm 
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We're used to Glasgow and the reports on licensing committee hearings, but on the other side of Scotland these two articles also seem to be repeated periodically, although more on an annual basis rather than every few weeks.

There's a kind of overlap between the two pieces below, but I suspect they're unrelated, and the fact they've both appeared in the last day or two is purely coincidental.

Don't know if there's much at all to read into the stats in this first piece. The MSP says it's worrying that PH complaints are a lot higher than HC, but without doing the number crunching the stats look roughly pro rata to me.

And, as the licensing chair makes clear, a lot of the increase is probably due to the downturn in activity due to lockdown and fewer drivers etc, which is now being reversed.

And maybe some of the stuff like speeding and parking due to the increasingly hostile environment towards drivers in the likes of Edinburgh in particular. They're trying to trip drivers up, essentially, therefore...

On the other hand, complaints about sexual behaviour have decreased from 14 to one? :-o

Anyway, what does a *complaint* actually amount to? We've all had *complaints* about fares over the years, most obviously, but for most of us they're not actually because of any wrongdoing on our part.


Edinburgh taxis: Complaints against private hire and taxi drivers in Edinburgh sees 'worrying' increase

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/ ... se-4456185

Complaints were made about illegal parking, ‘seagulling’ and overcharging.

Complaints lodged about private hire and taxi drivers in Edinburgh have soared this year, new figures have revealed.

Edinburgh council was inundated with 1,120 complaints, 308 against taxis and 753 about private hire cars – more than double the number of gripes related to cabs. Overall, complaints increased by more than 50 per cent, along with taxi complaints which rose from 203 last year to 308 according to figures obtained by a Freedom of Information request.

But complaints lodged about private hire drivers saw the most stark increase, with a more than 90 per cent jump from 395 last year to 753 so far in 2023. Council chiefs said it ‘reflected the size of the fleet’ in Edinburgh and numbers of complaints had returned to the same levels as before the pandemic, when lockdowns and restrictions saw a drop in the numbers of complaints received.

Since 2019, Edinburgh has had more private hire cars registered than cabs. As of December 15, there were 2,652 licensed private hire cars and 1,222 licensed taxis. But a local MSP branded the figures ’worrying’ and called for information to be disclosed on the most complained about operators.

Scottish Conservative Lothians MSP Miles Briggs said: “It’s important to understand who is receiving the most complaints and why. It’s imperative for the city that those tasked with moving people around in taxis and private hire vehicles are law-abiding and responsible. To see private hire vehicles receive so many more complaints is worrying, and the council must look into exactly why this is.

“Black cab drivers, with the knowledge they must learn of the city before qualifying, are the gold standard, but there is a place in Edinburgh for both. Passengers who use these services deserve to be safe and satisfied with their experience.”

Among the top complaints are driving manner, which can include speeding and illegal parking, as well as 'seagulling' where private hire drivers pick up passengers illegally. Complaints about drivers illegally plying for hires rocketed from 25 in 2002 to 118 in 2023.

When seagulling takes place, primarily but not exclusively by private hire drivers, passengers are not insured for the journey. Calls have been made for the council to make the public aware of the risks of getting inside a private hire vehicle which has not been pre-booked.

A report this month to the licensing and regulatory committee revealed that licensing chiefs received 63 complaints of aggressive behaviour by drivers, 118 of seagulling, 160 of inappropriate parking and 48 relating to overcharging. Miscellaneous complaints increased from 209 to 346 in 2023. Complaints about sexual behaviour fell from 14 last year down to one received in 2023.

Regulatory Committee Convener, Councillor Neil Ross said: “The report to the regulatory committee on December 4, 2023 set out data on complaints from 2018 to October 31, 2023. With a notable decrease in the years 2020, 2021 and 2022 given the impacts of COVID-19 we’re now seeing a return to pre-pandemic levels.”


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2023 4:31 pm 
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Again this is a repeat from at least one previous year, and is memorable because of the involvement of motorcycle cops, and the fact that again the dress code is mentioned.

And the article is essentially a padded out version of a single tweet, therefore not really that much to see. (Or a post on X, as they say these days, rather than a tweet on Twitter :lol: )

But I doubt if any actual 'offences' were recorded with regard to the dress code. The word 'offence' means something criminal, essentially.


Edinburgh officers stop taxi and private hire drivers in capital with offences dealt

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/ed ... e-28328054

Road Police were patrolling the city centre on Wednesday afternoon, December 20 as part of a joint operation with Edinburgh licensing services. Offences were dealt related to driver appearance and vehicle condition.

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Image: Road Policing Scotland/X

Edinburgh police dealt offences on Wednesday to various taxi and private hire drivers across the capital.

Road police were patrolling the city centre on Wednesday, December 21, as part of a joint operation with Edinburgh licensing services. Vehicles were spotted on Market Street for checks to be carried out.

In an image shared on X, by Road Policing Scotland, several police bikes were identified in the capital with one private hire driver being questioned. Numerous offences were dealt in relation to vehicle condition and driver appearance.

It comes as officers were carrying out compliance checks. Taking to X, formally known as Twitter, Road Policing Scotland said: "The #NationalMotorcycleUnit carried out a joint operation with @Edin_Licensing at Market Street, #Edinburgh earlier carrying out compliance checks on Taxis & private hire vehicles.

"Numerous offences dealt with relating to vehicle condition & driver appearance #KeepingPeopleSafe."


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2023 4:33 pm 
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First article wrote:
Among the top complaints are driving manner, which can include speeding and illegal parking, as well as 'seagulling' where private hire drivers pick up passengers illegally. Complaints about drivers illegally plying for hires rocketed from 25 in 2002 to 118 in 2023.

When seagulling takes place, primarily but not exclusively by private hire drivers, passengers are not insured for the journey.

Slightly contradictory there - one minute it's all about PHDs, the next paragraph it's just mainly PHDs.

The rest is presumably about out-of-area HCs plying for hire in Edinburgh, but that's not explained. Or maybe I'm being too pedantic here :roll:


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2023 5:02 pm 
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Oh, and as someone on Twitter pointed out, I think the police motorbikes are blocking the taxi/PH drop-off area at Waverley Station?

Looks like it, and as someone who's had a few headaches over the years trying to drop at Waverley, I can certainly identify with it all...


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2023 8:55 pm 
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Scottish Conservative Lothians MSP Miles Briggs said: “It’s important to understand who is receiving the most complaints and why. It’s imperative for the city that those tasked with moving people around in taxis and private hire vehicles are law-abiding and responsible. To see private hire vehicles receive so many more complaints is worrying, and the council must look into exactly why this is.

What a numpty.

There are twice as many PH as HC in Edinburgh, and shock horror there are twice as many complaints against PH than HC. Who would have thought? #-o

And this idiot wants to politicise it. [-(

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2023 8:57 pm 
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Complaints about sexual behaviour fell from 14 last year down to one received in 2023.

Isn't that a cause for celebration?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:03 pm 
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But these are just complaints, the truth hasn't, unless I've missed something, been established.

I would be much more interested in actual bonafide actions taken against drivers, rather than title tattle from moany punters and fellow drivers.

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