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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2025 3:32 pm 
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Came across this via TaxiPoint. But I won't link to or reproduce the TP article because of the obvious misinformation/disinformation here. Which is such obvious nonsense I'm amazed TP have just parroted it without question [-(


Cap Number of Private Hire Vehicles in Edinburgh so everyone can make a living

https://www.change.org/p/cap-number-of- ... b85452a25d

Every day, I experience the harsh reality of declining earnings simply because the market is oversaturated with private hire vehicles in Edinburgh. It's becoming increasingly difficult for both taxi and private hire drivers to make a decent living as more vehicles hit the roads. This situation isn't just an inconvenience; it's a direct threat to our livelihoods.

In Edinburgh, the proliferation of private hire vehicles has reached unprecedented levels. According to recent statistics, the number of such vehicles has surged by over 30% in the past few years. This explosion in numbers has led to fierce competition, making it harder for drivers to secure enough fares to make ends meet. It's not just about inconvenience; it's about the sustainability of an entire profession that thousands depend on.

The Edinburgh Council has the authority to regulate the number of private hire licenses issued. By capping the numbers, they can ensure a fair market where all drivers have a chance to earn a sustainable income. Cities like London have already implemented similar measures, successfully balancing supply and demand to ensure taxi and private hire drivers can thrive without unnecessary competition.

A sensible cap on private hire vehicles will not only stabilize earnings for drivers but also improve road congestion and reduce the environmental impact, creating a more sustainable and livable city for everyone.

Join me in urging the Edinburgh Council to take swift action. Let's work together to create a fair and balanced environment for all drivers and ensure the continued viability of our profession. Sign this petition to advocate for a cap on the number of private hire vehicles in Edinburgh.


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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2025 3:33 pm 
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The Edinburgh Council has the authority to regulate the number of private hire licenses issued. By capping the numbers, they can ensure a fair market where all drivers have a chance to earn a sustainable income. Cities like London have already implemented similar measures, successfully balancing supply and demand to ensure taxi and private hire drivers can thrive without unnecessary competition.

Even more bizarre than the catastrophically incorrect claim about London is that the only PH cap in the UK in you-know-where isn't mentioned :-s


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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2025 3:34 pm 
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To be fair, TaxiPoint seems to have amended their piece to remove the reference to London, but it's still misleading, in my opinion at least [-(

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The petition highlights that Edinburgh Council holds the power to regulate the number of private hire licences issued. It calls for a cap to be introduced in line with measures already in place in other cities, where limits have been used to help balance supply and demand.

Or mabye I just imagined the reference to London when I read the TaxiPoint piece this morning 8-[

But I'm sure that was the only reason I actually followed the link to the petition - to see the precise source of the claim about London [-(


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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2025 7:02 pm 
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Well it turns out that the "anonymous individual identifying only as a “Worried Driver”" described by TaxiPoint is actually an HCD; my guess was that it was a PHD, but of course there's nothing specific enough in the petition to discern that it's even organised by a driver, never mind which code :-o

But nothing much here that hasn't been read zillions of times before elsewhere. Except, of course, there's no cross-border angle, and there is already a power in the Scottish legislation to cap PHCs, which is actually mentioned here.

No mention of London here, at least. But no mention of Glasgow either, maybe for obvious reasons...


Edinburgh black cab taxi driver's petition calls on council to cap number of 'wild west' private hire vehicles

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/ ... is-5125925

An Edinburgh black cab taxi driver has called on the council to cap the number of private hire vehicles on the city’s streets, describing the current situation as “like the wild west”.

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Keith Auld, 44, has had more than 800 signatures for his petition - ‘Cap number of Private Hire Vehicles in Edinburgh so everyone can make a living’ - which he launched two and a half weeks ago.

He says the market is being saturated in Edinburgh, with too many private hires already on the city’s streets, and he is calling on an immediate cap on their numbers, like the current limit on black cabs.

Keith believes there are 1,111 active black cabs in Edinburgh at the moment, with a cap of 1,300 set by the council. However, he claims there are currently between 2,400 and 2,700 private hires vehicles in the city.

Speaking to the Evening News, Keith revealed that he regularly sees private hires breaching their licensing conditions by picking up fares on the street and even occasionally using taxi ranks.

He said: “It’s a pure saturation of the market. It’s becoming harder to make ends meet. There are that many vehicles on the road just now, you can’t do your job. And the buses can’t get around as easy.

“We black cab drivers know the city’s streets inside out, we know every pub, every hotel, but the problem we are finding is we are competing with ridiculous prices, even Uber are struggling.

“The private hires do too many jobs and are tired, so they make mistakes, going down roads they shouldn’t for example, it’s becoming ridiculous. On a Saturday night in the Grassmarket it’s like a manufacturing plant for these cars, there are loads of them just mulling around.

“They are breaking their licensing conditions at every turn, they are even coming into our taxi ranks. I’m engaging with the union on this as I’m a union rep and a member of the Association of Black Cab Hackney Drivers, and we are working with the council and police to try to get them to acknowledge what’s going on.

“Saturday nights are like the wild west. The private hires are not meant to loiter outside pubs and clubs but they do, and youngsters coming out of these places expect to get a price right away instead of a meter.

“You will see what we call ‘seagulling’, hanging around the city’s busy venues and taxi ranks, which they are not allowed to do, we need to limit them. They are vehicles with sat-navs, not taxis. If they take a job that is not pre-booked they are not insured in the event of an accident because they don’t have public hire insurance.”

Keith’s petition also says that this “dilution” of taxis in Edinburgh is leading to a fall in the quality and professionalism of the trade in the city, “which is ultimately going to lead to somebody getting seriously hurt or even killed”. And he believes that this “national issue” of the increasing numbers of private hire vehicles will not benefit locals.

He said: “A cap is needed immediately and we need to increase enforcement, as they are just doing what they want and ignoring all the rules. It’s your pocket that’s getting hit. Everybody says it’s driving the prices down for taxi, but on a Saturday night that’s definitely not the case.

“Every city is getting swamped with private hires, it’s a national issue. It feels like they are trying to kill the black cab industry. We are not getting respected.

“We are trying to pressure the council to consider the Civic Scotland Act over-provision of private hires in a city. Just to highlight that there are too many on the road. We need that report to see as a fact that there are too many.

“I have this conversation with many a punter, who see it with their own two eyes on Edinburgh’s streets, there are private hires everywhere.

“We black cab drivers are skilled. We know how to deal with disabled passengers and every type of person really, we are trained on how to deal with someone who is difficult, maybe drunk. And we needed to have the required knowledge of the city’s streets to get our licences.

“So to have all that pulled from under our feet by someone with a sat-nav, that’s just ridiculous. The wider public have been supportive of the petition, and I think they respect black cab drivers in Edinburgh and all over the world.

“Fellow cabbies just want some support, we are happy to work alongside private hires, but give us a chance, there has to be a cap on the number of private hire vehicles in Edinburgh.

“Everybody knows there is an issue, but everyone is burying their heads in the sand.”

Keith is also calling on the council to run private hire licences better, to bring down the numbers and bring private hires “to the same standard of black cab drivers”. He added that this would help licensing and Police Scotland to enforce conditions easier.

The City of Edinburgh Council has been contacted for comment.


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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2025 8:01 pm 
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Cities like London have already implemented similar measures,

You have to wonder where these people get this utter nonsense from? :-k

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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2025 8:55 pm 
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GMB wants PH restricted in London.

TfL urged to deliver ‘a more sustainable industry’ for taxi and private hire drivers

https://www.gmb.org.uk/news/tfl-urged-t ... re-drivers

A meeting at City Hall today [Thursday 15 May] has seen TfL criticised for not putting sustainability at the heart of their Taxi and Private Hire Action Plan.

GMB Union – the UK’s largest private hire union – is calling for measures that enhance driver earnings and safety, ensuring the wider transport network is environmentally and economically sustainable.

Among the specific measures the union is asking for is a limit on private hire vehicles to reverse a decline in drivers’ earnings. In 2024, 55 per cent of members using driving apps claimed that their earnings were significantly lower and over 80 per cent claimed that their earnings were either the same or lower compared to 2023.

GMB also welcomes a debate on measures that can address market saturation, thereby providing fair protection for London-licenced drivers.

Mayors in Manchester and North Yorkshire have already started the debate and TfL risks getting left behind.

Steve ********, GMB Regional Organiser, said:

“Further saturation of the private hire market is unsustainable; it will continue to have a negative impact on drivers and competition.

“GMB is calling on TfL to deliver a more sustainable industry for both drivers and operators – one where drivers are not forced to work longer hours just to earn a liveable income, and where their safety is not put at risk in the process."

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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2025 10:47 am 
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Interesting, but not unexpected :-o

I'd guess that if and when the whole cross-border thingy comes to the stage of a higher profile debate and legislation, then a head of steam will builld up across the Labour Party, the unions and many elements of the trade for a cap on PHVs.


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