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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2025 12:08 pm 
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Couldn't be bothered with this the other day when it all kicked off, but it's all over the place now :-o

And it's all 'he said-she said', kind of stuff, and probably one of those where the precise truth will never be known.

And I'm certainly no fan of David Lammy, but a lot of what the taxi driver has claimed just doesn't ring true, somehow :?


TAXIGATE Foreign Sec David Lammy shouted ‘f***ing French’ at me during furious row over taxi fare – I was afraid, claims driver

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/34974997/ ... ow-labour/

Allegations also emerged suggesting Mr Mimun threatened Lammy's wife with a knife

FOREIGN Secretary David Lammy shouted “f***ing French” twice during a furious row over a taxi fare, the driver claimed.

Nasim Mimun, 40, said the minister, who oversees His Majesty’s Diplomatic Service, got aggressive when asked to pay for a six-hour trip last month from Italy to a ski resort in France.

The French chauffeur told The Sun: “When he got out of the vehicle, he said, ‘f***ing French, f***ing French’. I was afraid.”

He claims Mr Lammy’s £588 fare is still unpaid following last month’s trip from Forli in Italy to Flaine in the French Alps.

Mr Lammy, who was with his wife Nicola Green, has said he “totally refutes” the allegations and insists the fare was paid in full.

The Sun has obtained photos showing the filthy state in which the Ford Kuga was allegedly left, with food wrappers and an apple core visible in the back.

Mr Mimun took the couple on a 362-mile trip overnight on April 10 after Mr Lammy had accompanied the King and Queen on their State Visit to Italy.

But they got into a dispute towards the end of the near-six-hour drive, when Mr Mimun asked for an additional €700 (£588) fee.

He said: “At a certain point, when I asked him to pay the bill — the difference of 700 euros he hadn’t paid me — I received two blows like that. He hit — the middle seat, he was behind me — he hit like this, ‘Tac, tac,’ two times.”

The chauffeur went on; “When he got out of the vehicle, he said, ‘f***ing French, f***ing French’.

“He got out of my car, went around. He made a turn to come towards me. I was afraid.”

He then drove off.

Mr Lammy and his wife are countersuing him for leaving with their belongings, including luggage and cash. He has been charged with theft and will appear in court in November.

But the driver, who lives in Avignon, told The Sun: “I ran away to go to the nearest police station to present my ID to explain the facts. At absolutely no point did I have the intention to try to steal.”

Mr Mimun claimed he had no idea the couple’s belongings were still in his car and handed them over to police when he realised.

LAMMY COUNTERSUES

The Foreign Secretary did not have his official red box with him.

Their luggage is thought to have belonged to Mr Lammy’s wife and contained nothing sensitive. Allegations also emerged suggesting Mr Mimun had threatened her by showing her a knife.

But he insisted it was a silver pen poking out from a bundle of receipts in his arm rest.

The driver said the job was booked through company Get Transfer, which regularly takes passengers into the Alps.

But he claimed he was unaware that he would be driving a high-risk government official, and said he had exposed “a very serious security breach”.

Mr Mimun said he told Mr Lammy it was up to the passengers to pay €700 (£588) out of a €1,550 (£1,305) fare — the rest covered by the transfer service.

However he said he “snatched the receipt from his hand”.

Days ago, Mr Lammy, 52 — who oversees His Majesty’s Diplomatic Service — tweeted his support for France. He posted on Tuesday after President Emmanuel Macron’s state visit was announced: “France is one of our closest neighbours, friends, and allies.”

But Mr Mimun branded him a “thug” and a “liar”.

'THUG AND A LIAR'

A spokesman for the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office told The Sun: “We totally refute these allegations.

“The fare was paid in full. The Foreign Secretary and his wife are named as victims in this matter and the driver has been charged with theft. As there is an ongoing legal process, it would be inappropriate to comment further.”

Prosecutor Boris Duffau confirmed a taxi driver had been charged with theft after a disagreement over payment of a fare and will appear in court in Bonneville on November 3.

The driver was “placed under judicial supervision with a driving ban and 2,000 euro (£1,690) bail”.

He added: “The driver left after the two customers had got out of his car, with their luggage still in the boot. He dropped them (the bags) off at a municipal police station the next day.”

The prosecutor said what started as a "commercial dispute born of a misunderstanding, the tone certainly rose and after investigation, the prosecutor's office deemed it appropriate to state that the taxi drivers version was not proven" - unlike that of Mr Lammy.

He said it was considered theft because of the length of time he kept the belongings. Mr Mimun is also accused of taking cash from the baggage, helping himself to the amount he insisted he was owed.

An ally of Mr Lammy said: “Anyone choosing to believe made-up stories and photos from a rogue taxi driver charged with a serious crime by French prosecutors over the UK Foreign Secretary needs to get a grip.”

Sources close to Mr Lammy also stressed that the driver was sacked by the firm, suggesting there was no dispute over money.

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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2025 12:09 pm 
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Of course, it all comes down to what was actually said and agreed etc. But it all reads to me like a fare was agreed and the driver took it upon himself to hike it up when he realised who the punter was. Sorry, but it just doesn't work like that [-(

An earlier version in the Sun said this:

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Chaos quickly erupted as the cab driver alleged Mr Lammy "became aggressive" when asked to pay the £588 fare.

Mimun accused the Labour member of "snatching the receipt from his hand" when asked to pay for the taxi.

Lammy has publicly said he "totally refutes" these allegations as he said the fare was paid in full.

The initial dispute is said to be over the amount of money owed.

The transport company who booked the cab paid for the fare at the rate they were offered prior to the journey.

But Mimun claims this was before he realised who he was driving due to Lammy's senior position within the British government.

The driver has now said: "I requested an extra 700 euros, because I realised when they got in that they were VIPs. There luggage made that clear.

"When I found out who Mr Lammy was, later on, I also realised that he had put my life in danger. There were no bodyguards or anything."

This meant when Lammy exited the car and Mimun requested the extra payment a bitter row broke out.

The driver clarified it was up to the passengers to pay £600 out of the £1,306 total fare.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/34968465/ ... -taxi-row/


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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2025 12:12 pm 
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And if you read the earlier Sun version in its totality, and compare it with the later piece, you kind of get the impression there's a bit of embellishment going on :roll:

Also, the photo of the rubbish just looks a tad, er, contrived to me :-o

I mean, what's the chances of that big lump of wrapping paper nearest the camera, and that wee white on the far seat, actually being on there when they exited the cab?

Or that green and white plastic bottle thingy just where the passengers feet would be...

I mean, if they just casually made a mess while in the cab, the stuff would be on the floor, surely, and not under their buttocks where they were sitting? :-s

And it's not as if there aren't numerous similar photos around online supposedly showing passenger soiling, but which turn out to be faked to make a claim for a soiling charge :?

And what's that photo of the driver with the car all about? Looks like a high-end motor, but the actual car was a Ford Kuga from the last decade, by the looks of it...

But, I mean, that's just looking at a couple of the Sun's pieces. No doubt there's other wee nuggets all over the place. But a real rabbit hole, so that's enough from me [-(


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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2025 6:29 pm 
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Cleaning up that mess would take less than a couple of minutes, so to me, that's not really an issue.

The issue for the driver is that he helped himself to the cash from the bag. There really is no defence for that.

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I think this story has more to do with anti British sentiment than the behaviour of our politicians but if lammy did behave like that it wouldn't surprise me.

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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2025 1:23 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
The issue for the driver is that he helped himself to the cash from the bag. There really is no defence for that.

If it is true that the driver helped himself to cash from Lammy's luggage then it's certainly an open and shut case. Boom, boom :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2025 4:39 pm 
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I wonder how many people from his Tottenham constituency can afford a £600 taxi fare?

Man of the people my arse. [-(

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StuartW wrote:
Sussex wrote:
The issue for the driver is that he helped himself to the cash from the bag. There really is no defence for that.

If it is true that the driver helped himself to cash from Lammy's luggage then it's certainly an open and shut case. Boom, boom :lol:



did you used to have your hand shoved up the backside of a fox in a previous career ?

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French taxi driver cleared of stealing from David Lammy after fare dispute

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... re-dispute

A French taxi driver accused of stealing money and luggage from David Lammy has been acquitted due to lack of evidence, a prosecutor said.

Nassim Mimun, 40, drove the deputy prime minister and his wife, Nicola Green, more than 600km (370 miles) from Forli, near Bologna in northern Italy, to the ski resort of Flaine in the French Alps on 11 April.

But at the end of the journey the “tone escalated” over the cost of the fare, the Bonneville prosecutor Boris Duffau said in May.

The driver, from the south-eastern city of Avignon, then left with his passengers’ bags in the boot of his car. “He dropped them off the next day at a municipal police station” but that was considered theft due to the length of time he had them in his possession, Duffau said.

The driver accused Lammy in media interviews of refusing to pay for the journey and complained of violence. He was acquitted over the alleged theft because of a lack of proof, Duffau said on Monday.

The Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office said at the time that Lammy and his spouse were victims in the case and denied that the Labour MP for Tottenham had refused to pay the driver.

Lammy and Mimun both filed complaints but only the justice secretary’s was deemed substantial and the Frenchman was charged with “theft of cash and personal belongings”.

The driver had claimed to French media that Lammy became “aggressive” when asked to pay €700 (£590) of the €1,550 bill, the remainder of which was to be paid by the booking service.

The fee was paid upfront to the transfer service but Mimun insisted he was owed money on arrival and that he needed to be paid in cash, a source said at the time.

The MP and his wife had been in Italy to join King Charles on a state visit before heading to the French Alps for a private holiday.

Lammy was foreign secretary at the time of the incident and was named justice secretary and deputy prime minister in September as part of Keir Starmer’s reshuffle.

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Make of this what you want...if you can be bothered wading through all the detail...

I'm certainly no friend of Lammy's, but "fare's fair" :lol: as usual with stuff like this, and I still think the driver's account is at least embellished [-(

But in a way it's typical 'he said-she said' taxi dispute sort of stuff, only on the length of a trip that most of us will never encounter, and with a high-profile individual and on a dispute that eventually came to global prominence :-o

And, apropos of stuff in another recent thread, there's also an awkward moment with a card payment and terminal :lol:

Kind of reminds me why I prefer trips of maybe 30 minutes maximum duration, though - if it all goes belly up then at least you know it won't drag on for hours...


'He is a bum and a wicked man who brings shame on your country': Inside David Lammy's seven-hour taxi ride from hell as French driver claims he was slapped, abused... and what he says Deputy PM's wife did

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ammys.html

Few among David Lammy’s many critics will have savoured the details of his calamitous week with quite as much relish as a certain French taxi driver.

‘Oh dear, it is scandal after scandal with your Deputy Prime Minister,’ says Nassim Mimun, shaking his head in mock disapproval while reading his newspaper, La Provence. Mr Lammy’s mishaps, it turns out, are newsworthy in the south of France as well as Britain.

‘Your minister is a bum... Lammy brings great shame on your country, but I’m glad he’s in trouble because he is a shameful, wicked man,’ adds Mr Mimun.

Having made rather a chump of himself in the Commons over prisoner release bungles, Mr Lammy is feeling the heat. Pressure keeps mounting, criticism remains intense. ‘Cowardly’ was one description of his behaviour – and that was from a Cabinet colleague.

Yet Mr Mimun’s words stand out as particularly harsh. That’s because it is personal with the driver and the minister. They have history. Mr Mimun claims Mr Lammy ruined his life.

It all goes back to the early hours of April 11, at a mountain resort in the French Alps, when the two men argued bitterly over a taxi fare after a seven-hour journey from Italy.

That much is undisputed. Untangling the criss-crossing claims surrounding the 360-mile trip and its aftermath, some involving Mr Lammy’s wife, Nicola Green, is another matter.

During the altercation over the fare, Mr Mimun says the then Foreign Secretary, sitting behind him, punched or kicked the back of his seat, shouted about the ‘f***ing French’ and slapped his neck. ‘He was going crazy,’ says Mr Mimun.

‘I thought he was going to come for me and that there would be a fight. That’s why I drove off.’

Ms Green told police that at one point Mr Mimun showed her a knife in the glove compartment – while he says he saw a holster on Mr Lammy’s hip and assumed he was carrying a gun.

He says he was so convinced that the Foreign Secretary was ‘packing’ that, as he sped off after the row, Mr Mimun slid down his seat lest Mr Lammy tried taking pot shots at him.

Of course, there was no gun. Just as police found no knife. What Ms Green saw, says the chauffeur, was a silver pen. Nothing is quite what it seems with this affair, and much is still unexplained.

Why for instance would Ms Green, as Mr Mimun claims, open her door while he was doing 75mph on a motorway? What led to this dramatic act?

Mr Mimun offers only that she seemed in a filthy mood and wanted to get out of the car even though a service station – ‘as I repeatedly told her’ – was only a couple of minutes away.

Things didn’t augur well for the 360-mile trip, he says, when, before they set off, she turned her nose up at his Ford Kuga – described as a compact SUV – after requesting a Mercedes with leather seats.

‘She was cold with me and grimaced when she saw it,’ he says, while her husband ‘asked about its horsepower’. This was when things were still relatively cordial.

Nearly all of what would later unfold as the atmosphere in the car soured remains contested but one crucial issue has now been put before a judge. The Lammys allegation – that Mr Mimun stole their luggage and 700 euros (£616) – was rejected by a court in Bonneville, eastern France last week.

Claiming a memorable victory ‘for the little guy’, Mr Mimun tells The Mail on Sunday that where once the odds were stacked against him, ‘at last the tide is turning’.

He says it was ‘cruel’ for Mr Lammy and his wife, both 53, to accuse him of stealing ‘as the sum he says I took in cash was the exact equivalent of what I was owed’.

He adds: ‘This made the police think I was guilty... Thankfully the court believed me. This was nasty – I could have gone to jail. It is Lammy who is the thief, he hasn’t paid me the extra sum I was owed.’

The Lammys vehemently dispute all the driver’s allegations. Whatever the truth, though, this was an unseemly affair that, as one French diplomat observed wryly, left the entente cordiale, if not broken, then fleetingly bruised.

Before meeting Mr Mimun on April 10 at Forli airport in Italy, the couple spent four days accompanying King Charles on a State Visit involving tours of the Colosseum and the Quirinale Palace in Rome.

When the royal party departed, the Lammys stayed on for a holiday and headed for a hotel in Flaine, a ski resort in Haute-Savoie. They resolved that despite being near an airport, the quickest route, counterintuitively, was by road.

A Foreign Office official booked a car through GetTransfer, a Cyprus-based booking platform and the agreed fare, of around £717, was paid directly to the firm by the UK Government. It is understood that the Lammys had agreed to refund the cost later – a standard arrangement for a minister using officials to arrange what is effectively a private journey.

Mr Mimun learned of the job two days day before when, he says, there was no mention of their status. He was only told he was driving the UK Foreign Secretary shortly before they were introduced.

‘I was annoyed as it becomes a different story when there is a senior government figure involved as there are security implications,’ he says. ‘This is always the way. I have driven all sorts of French ministers, ambassadors and VIPs.

‘I said [to a member of Mr Lammy’s entourage] that I wouldn’t do it for that price.

‘If I’d known he was such an important figure, I would have charged a lot more. This is standard.’ He claims the entourage member consulted the Lammys and it was agreed they would pay an extra 700 euros ‘at the other end’. Again, the Lammys dispute this version of events, and it is inconsistent with an account the driver has previously given.

The son of a chauffeur firm owner, now dead, Mr Mimun lives in the city of Avignon in south-eastern France’s Provence region, where he was born. He shares a well-kept house with his mother, sister and nephew and has been a chauffeur himself for 20 years.

Over dinner he shows the MoS an exchange of text messages with the Foreign Office’s ‘head of events and trips’. In a message from 5.34pm on April 10, Mr Mimun sends her a picture of his location and says that ‘you have to leave the airport, I’m not allowed to go in... I’m two metres away [from the entrance] next to the police’.

The official says: ‘Great! My colleague will find you.’

To his surprise, he wasn’t subjected to any security checks and nobody so much as gave his car a once over.

When on the road, he briefly made small talk with Mr Lammy. Then he says the politician discussed the Israel-Gaza war with his wife before both fell silent for 30 or 40 minutes. He thinks Ms Green dozed off.

Mr Mimun says an hour or so later, Ms Green began complaining. ‘She wanted to sit in the front, and I said we could stop at the next service station, but she suddenly lost it and opened her door. I undid my window and put my arm around to close it. It was terrifying.’

Then he slowed down and pulled over on the hard shoulder. ‘I put on my hazard lights and she moved into the front. We were 900 metres from the rest area.’ He says she muttered something about the ‘f***ing driver’. He adds that Mr Lammy ‘sat there and said nothing’.

Neither did he seem fazed by what Mr Mimun claims happened next. He says Ms Green was ‘throwing rubbish out the windows, including the bits of a sandwich she didn’t eat, biscuit wrappers and drink cans’.

‘I started getting other cars flashing at me,’ he says. ‘The Italian drivers weren’t happy about this.’

What could have prompted this bizarre – albeit alleged – behaviour? ‘I don’t know if there was something going on between her and her husband,’ says Mr Mimun. ‘Maybe something happened before I picked them up.’

Some hours later, after calm was restored, Ms Green seemed to begrudge him stopping for a brief rest and to fill up with petrol.

Mr Mimun says he heard her complaining on her mobile to the Foreign Office official who he assumes must have contacted GetTransfer because he then received a message from the company asking why he had pulled over. He told them it was his statutory right.

It was after 1am when they reached their destination in the Alps. Mr Mimun says of the exchange that ensued: ‘Lammy wasn’t happy about having to pay extra. He asked to pay by credit card and seemed surprised when I produced a payment terminal.

‘Still, he didn’t take out his card. He wanted a receipt but I wouldn’t give him one until he paid me. I started writing out a bill and he tried to snatch it from me.

‘Then he starts saying, “f***ing French, f***ing French” and I took several blows.’ Demonstrating, he says: ‘He hit me here [on the neck] with the palm of his hand. Then he gets out of the car, angry, and I saw him walking round the car, and I was afraid.

‘He was coming towards me and I thought maybe he was armed, that maybe he had a gun in the holster I saw in Italy. I thought he wanted to fight and I didn’t want to fight.

‘After a few minutes I said, “Siri, call the police!”’

The voice-activated digital assistant put him through to officers in nearby Switzerland who promised to register his complaint but advised him to report the incident to French police.

Mr Mimun alleges he decided to report his passengers to police in the French town of Cluses, the nearest open Gendarmerie, 12 miles away. After making a statement he was back on the road.

It was several hours later, he says, that it dawned on him that he still had the couple’s luggage in the boot. Quite possibly, he concedes, his memory was jolted by a text message from the Foreign Office official at 9.32am: ‘Can you please confirm when you will return the bags to Flaine. We need them urgently. This is now a crime and I had to alert the authorities.’

Mr Mimun turned back, though is insistent that driving off with the luggage was an honest mistake. In court, it was alleged that after they got it back the Lammys found 700 euros were missing. But Mr Mimun’s lawyer, Guillaume de Palma, said the couple’s claims were ‘incoherent’, adding that ‘there is nothing to show that the bags were opened [by Mimun]’.

Reflecting on what he calls the worst drive of his life, Mr Mimun argues that it raises ‘questions about Lammy’s character’. Not that he has captured the moral high ground. His own complaints about Mr Lammy’s supposedly aggressive behaviour, after all, were rejected by prosecutors.

A government source said: ‘The driver’s claims about the David Lammy and his wife are total nonsense, just like his claims that they didn’t pay – which GetTransfer has confirmed was paid in full.’

But whichever side is to be believed, it is an article of faith that our Foreign Secretary – our principal diplomat – comports himself with dignity at all times. To lose one’s rag on the international stage, at a vital summit for example, might have potentially far-reaching geopolitical consequences.

And while a football fan shouting about the French after England are outshone by Les Bleus is one thing, to hear them from the lips of the holder of such distinguished office would be quite another.

‘This has turned my professional life upside down,’ says Mr Mimun. ‘Because of your minister... I wasn’t able to work for seven months [as he was placed under judicial supervision].’

He takes us to the garage where his now-dusty Ford Kuga languishes with a flat tyre. ‘It has been repaired but I cannot pay the bill. But when I get the money together I can work again as the court case went in my favour.’

For once, he smiles.

And at least he’ll have a story to tell his clients.

‘I had that Foreign Secretary in the back of my cab the other day...’


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2025 3:17 pm 
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It's actually paywalled, but the video isn't, and can be viewed here:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/ ... rench.html

There are photos as well, which I can't be bothered linking to - but this is a graphic of the actual article, and the version via the second link below is slightly higher-res, and just readable. If anyone's interested, which I'd guess not very many :oops:

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Now if it had been a tory or reform politician this would be labour screaming from the rooftops trying to discredit him so I'm not surprised the sun is having a pop

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Now if it had been a tory or reform politician this would be labour screaming from the rooftops trying to discredit him so I'm not surprised the sun is having a pop

They are not having a pop over this, as there are dozens of other issues they are concentrating on.

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