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My point is old chap, it is persistently claimed that all PH drivers would become real TAXI (as opposed to "taxi :roll: :roll: ") drivers, if only selfish [edited by admin] (like me?) would let them. So a survey could be of benefit to them. Or not. :roll: :wink:

Who says all new taxi drivers will come via the PH trade?

Take the Edinburgh situation, as far as I'm aware all the applicants are cab drivers, so WTF should the Edinburgh PH trade pay towards a taxi survey?

In many other areas PH don't do a knowlegde, so even if PH drivers wanted to move over to driving cabs, they couldn't.

SUD surveys are surveys into taxi demand, f*** all to do with PH. :wink:


So, Sussex, are you a PH driver, in Eastbourne? Do you want to be a Hackney proprietor in Eastbourne?

This from the Lincoln Taxi study, by Halcrow. "A public and private hire trade survey was designed with the aim of collecting information and views from both the Hackney Carriage and Private Hire trades."

This was carried out by a postal questionnaire. 90% response from Hackney Carriage, 3% from PH. Lazy blighters, these PH drivers. :wink:

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I think the point is that surveys are effectively intended to maintain the taxi plate cartel, thus charging PH drivers for the cost of the survey is like charging motorists to put an Arab oil sheik up in a ten-grand-a-night hotel so he can attend an OPEC meeting intended to keep oil prices high.

Jimbo is correct in that one or two PH drivers could conceviably get taxi plates as a result of the survey, but frankly the vast majority know they have no chance.

The voting figures in the Lincoln survey reflect the same thing - given the opportunity to postpone Christmas it's hardly surprsing that the taxi turkeys :wink: voted en masse, whereas for the PH trade it was neither here nor there.

And I suspect they didn't have to pay for it either. :roll:

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I think the point is that surveys are effectively intended to maintain the taxi plate cartel, thus charging PH drivers for the cost of the survey is like charging motorists to put an Arab oil sheik up in a ten-grand-a-night hotel so he can attend an OPEC meeting intended to keep oil prices high.

Jimbo is correct in that one or two PH drivers could conceviably get taxi plates as a result of the survey, but frankly the vast majority know they have no chance.

The voting figures in the Lincoln survey reflect the same thing - given the opportunity to postpone Christmas it's hardly surprsing that the taxi turkeys :wink: voted en masse, whereas for the PH trade it was neither here nor there.

And I suspect they didn't have to pay for it either. :roll:


Strangely, the questionnaire asked PH drivers if they would take up a Hackney license if de-limitation was imposed. Guess how many said "Yes"

So, did PH allow numerical control to remain?

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To Quote.

" The overall conclusion... is the apparent lack of demand from the PH trade for any change in policy...no interest from the three largest PH companies...

Halcrow.

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Strangely, the questionnaire asked PH drivers if they would take up a Hackney license if de-limitation was imposed. Guess how many said "Yes"



Well I wouldn't be surprised what the 3% said either way, so perhaps you could enlighten us?

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Strangely, the questionnaire asked PH drivers if they would take up a Hackney license if de-limitation was imposed. Guess how many said "Yes"

So, did PH allow numerical control to remain?

down here the firms would hate to see delimit.
then they lose control over the drivers.


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" The overall conclusion... is the apparent lack of demand from the PH trade for any change in policy...no interest from the three largest PH companies...

Halcrow.


Ah, so the COMPANIES didn't want more plates, but that's a point we've made consistently, since the benefit from keeping drivers exactly where they want them.

And if the PH trade doesn't want HC plates, and all/most HCs are singled, what's your worry about derestriction Jimbo?

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Strangely, the questionnaire asked PH drivers if they would take up a Hackney license if de-limitation was imposed. Guess how many said "Yes"



Well I wouldn't be surprised what the 3% said either way, so perhaps you could enlighten us?


One PH driver expressed an interest in a free Hackney Carriage license.
(But I know the muppet, and he changed his mind when he was told he would need to put on a WAV.Thought he could put a toplight on his skoda. :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:

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" The overall conclusion... is the apparent lack of demand from the PH trade for any change in policy...no interest from the three largest PH companies...

Halcrow.


Ah, so the COMPANIES didn't want more plates, but that's a point we've made consistently, since the benefit from keeping drivers exactly where they want them.

And if the PH trade doesn't want HC plates, and all/most HCs are singled, what's your worry about derestriction Jimbo?


What me, worry?

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What me, worry?

Anyone that takes old Yorkie's avatar really does have cause for concern. :shock:

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What me, worry?

Anyone that takes old Yorkie's avatar really does have cause for concern. :shock:


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One PH driver expressed an interest in a free Hackney Carriage license.
(But I know the muppet, and he changed his mind when he was told he would need to put on a WAV.Thought he could put a toplight on his skoda. :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:


Yes, I think we've been here before, you clearly don't like the idea of derestriction but on the other hand always tell us that no one wants a HC plate anyway.

In years to come I think scholars will call it the 'jimbo paradox' :lol:

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TDO wrote:
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One PH driver expressed an interest in a free Hackney Carriage license.
(But I know the muppet, and he changed his mind when he was told he would need to put on a WAV.Thought he could put a toplight on his skoda. :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:


Yes, I think we've been here before, you clearly don't like the idea of derestriction but on the other hand always tell us that no one wants a HC plate anyway.

In years to come I think scholars will call it the 'jimbo paradox' :lol:


I have never,ever, sought to disguise my opposition to de-restriction.

The Halcrow report clearly shows that the PH trade are not interested in changing over to HC. They don't want to buy a WAV. And there can be no accusation of mass filling in of survey forms, can there?

It ain't broke, don't fix it.

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The Halcrow report clearly shows that the PH trade are not interested in changing over to HC.

Then why should they for pay part of the survey? :?

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The Halcrow report clearly shows that the PH trade are not interested in changing over to HC.

Then why should they for pay part of the survey? :?


You could claim they paid for most of the survey. And why not?
THey (illegally) ply for hire. They pretend to be Hackney Carriage. (Handsome Cabs? THeir logo is a HANSOM cab). Every PH office with one car outside is a Taxi rank. What they don't want is WAV's. I estimate they paid 90% of the cost here, a small compensation. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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