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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:19 pm 
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I said in an earlier post that, the mistake was made by ever allowing numerical controls in the first place.


Yes, and that's why in the final analysis I don't necessarily blame anyone who takes advantage of it and/or buys into the system.

But what I do object to is those who try to lie, mislead and bully, and attack critics of the system as if they were the personification of evil.

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TDO wrote:
littlejack3 wrote:
I said in an earlier post that, the mistake was made by ever allowing numerical controls in the first place.


Yes, and that's why in the final analysis I don't necessarily blame anyone who takes advantage of it and/or buys into the system.

But what I do object to is those who try to lie, mislead and bully, and attack critics of the system as if they were the personification of evil.

What, you mean I'm not evil? :shock:

The thing's you learn on TDO :wink:

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i actually wonder how many of you are real taxi drivers? because if you were you would understand the dynamics of the industry, more cars = longer working hours = less money for all.

I get the feeling that some of you are just envious, or worse are not real taxi drivers, just some people on a crusade to mess every ones living up!!


I work in one of the first districts to deregulate (over 10 years now) that argument doesn't pan out from experience. More taxis usually means more people using them because of increased availability. the problem comes from the runaway train effect where more and more licenses are continually issued but very few people give them up because every vehicle if they wait long enough gets fares. This has the effect of keeping rates down (our fares were deregulated at the same time) because the laws of supply and demand don't work in the taxi market and conditions consumers to expect taxis to be fairly cheap so that if the availability of taxis was restricted again people just wouldn't pay the higher rates.

basically in a deregulated market the whole market changes. I still earn a good living and yes I work 80+ hours a week but I work with drivers who are nowhere near as hard working and they earn what they need to despite the overcrowding on the rank and the lower fares


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i actually wonder how many of you are real taxi drivers? because if you were you would understand the dynamics of the industry, more cars = longer working hours = less money for all.

I get the feeling that some of you are just envious, or worse are not real taxi drivers, just some people on a crusade to mess every ones living up!!


I work in one of the first districts to deregulate (over 10 years now) that argument doesn't pan out from experience. More taxis usually means more people using them because of increased availability. the problem comes from the runaway train effect where more and more licenses are continually issued but very few people give them up because every vehicle if they wait long enough gets fares. This has the effect of keeping rates down (our fares were deregulated at the same time) because the laws of supply and demand don't work in the taxi market and conditions consumers to expect taxis to be fairly cheap so that if the availability of taxis was restricted again people just wouldn't pay the higher rates.

basically in a deregulated market the whole market changes. I still earn a good living and yes I work 80+ hours a week but I work with drivers who are nowhere near as hard working and they earn what they need to despite the overcrowding on the rank and the lower fares



What about the London model, regulating the runaway train effect by “the knowledge” quality over quantity?

Does this apply where you are or is London unique in this approach? :-|

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Round our way the knowledge test is so basic so a monkey could pass it with ease. The person taking the tests comes from 25 miles away and has only rudimentary knowledge of the town anyway


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edders23 wrote:
This has the effect of keeping rates down (our fares were deregulated at the same time) because the laws of supply and demand don't work in the taxi market and conditions consumers to expect taxis to be fairly cheap so that if the availability of taxis was restricted again people just wouldn't pay the higher rates.



So are you saying that your council doesn't regulate fares at all?

And what do you mean by the 'laws of supply and demand not working'?

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i think hes saying its a free for all, you know the situation that you advocate so highly!


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187ums wrote:
i think hes saying its a free for all, you know the situation that you advocate so highly!


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edders23 wrote:
187ums wrote:
i actually wonder how many of you are real taxi drivers? because if you were you would understand the dynamics of the industry, more cars = longer working hours = less money for all.

I get the feeling that some of you are just envious, or worse are not real taxi drivers, just some people on a crusade to mess every ones living up!!


I work in one of the first districts to deregulate (over 10 years now) that argument doesn't pan out from experience. More taxis usually means more people using them because of increased availability. the problem comes from the runaway train effect where more and more licenses are continually issued but very few people give them up because every vehicle if they wait long enough gets fares. This has the effect of keeping rates down (our fares were deregulated at the same time) because the laws of supply and demand don't work in the taxi market and conditions consumers to expect taxis to be fairly cheap so that if the availability of taxis was restricted again people just wouldn't pay the higher rates.

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basically in a deregulated market the whole market changes. I still earn a good living and yes I work 80+ hours a week but I work with drivers who are nowhere near as hard working and they earn what they need to despite the overcrowding on the rank and the lower fares

When you have to spend half your life in a taxi top make a "living" you are just heading for the cemetery. Buried or Cremated?

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187ums wrote:
i think hes saying its a free for all, you know the situation that you advocate so highly!


Can't remember ever advocating a free for all, perhaps you could explain, once again, because you seem to have a habit of misrepresenting me. =;

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i think hes saying its a free for all, you know the situation that you advocate so highly!


Can't remember ever advocating a free for all, perhaps you could explain, once again, because you seem to have a habit of misrepresenting me. =;


God don't ask him I couldn't stand it. :roll:

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got your free plate yet?


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187ums wrote:
got your free plate yet?



Lost the value in yours yet chum?

Don’t worry it’s on its way. Just think no pseudo identity to hide behind. No recognition from ones peer’s and no one will recognise you. Trust me it will be an enlightening experience. You might even start thinking for yourself but I doubt it.:wink:

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My name is Gerald Grisdale and I am a retired York Hackney Carriage Owner/Driver.
I am amazed that subscribers to this site believe that it is acceptable for them to remain anonymous. This subject is for Adults who are prepared to stand up and be counted and not, in my opinion, for childish anonymous comments. Having said this I would like to inform subscribers of the following.

Quantity Control (Restriction) delivers the best service for the consumer.

The OFT Report demonstrated clearly by using factual information (not opinion), that areas with Quantity Control (Restriction) have MORE VEHICLES (Hackney + PHV) and MORE DRIVERS (Hackney + PHV) per head of population than areas without Quantity Control (Derestricted). End of story. Argument to challenge this, as seen on this site by anonymous subscribers, is irrational.

It therefore follows, does it not, that the anonymous subscribers on this site who advocate Derestriction want a policy that REDUCES the number of drivers per population and therefore the REDUCES number of people who can earn a living in the Hackney and PH sector in the area.
I repeat, Argument to challenge Quantity Control (Restriction) is irrational.

The OFT conducted ‘before and after’ Surveys in Cambridge and Sheffield which demonstrated, to anyone who understands Survey Methodology, that ‘Derestriction had not improved the service in either area and that Halcrow Survey Methodology is seriously flawed.

I would have liked to demonstrate that what I am saying is factually correct by using Tables/Charts produced by the OFT and Halcrow but I do not know, at this stage, whether or not the site can reproduce them. Would someone please let me know ?


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The Old Man of York wrote:
Quantity Control (Restriction) delivers the best service for the consumer.

I must admit I've always thought those nasty London cabbies gave a s*** service. :?

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