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And I bet neither of us would spill it down our cardigans.


B. Lucky

so off the went to the Station rank,
situated by Brightons Bank,
The line spread down, the causeway,
with hours to get a passenger Away.

but still they argued over a pass,
and the ignorant joined in to have a blast,
Whats the use of having Brightons Plate,
if not using this rank will be your fate?

The Tang G are all to blame,
when all the time a drivers being a pain.
so Brighton wait in vain for a car,
while taxis que at the station so far,

come on why cannot those sea sense
about this state of great suspence,
Its good to kick the t and g
of that we must all aggree,

but on this occasion its not being Fair,
to blame the union, that does so care
its just hot air, about nothing at all,
this non issue that seems to appaul


P*d*in*t*n B*i*l

And from a T&G member, no the wonder we find ourselves in such a [edited by admin] state.

You can dress it up however you want Mick, but it's self-serving and hypocritical, and I think you know it.

Why isn't this mentioned in CTN articles accusing train operationg companies of extortion and greed?

Dusty

You've made the non-transferability point umpteen times before and been told why it doesn't work umpteen times before, so why persist with it?

Have a look at our current frontpage article on this issue - if you want to comment on the points in there then feel free to do so, if not then I don't see the point in pressing the issue continually.

There's no legal right to compo, and I just can't see it being offered even with de-restriction, and even assuming that transfers could be stopped your suggestion of compo in those circumstances is pie in the sky.

You're saying, for example, that someone who bought a plate 10 years ago for 10k and makes excess profits to the extent that it's now worth 30k, should be allowed compo if it was made non transferable, even if they could continue to make exess profits of £5k a year (say)?

Dusty

The current legislation is a big enough joke, now you want police and traffic wardens to decide the excess profits of T&G plateholders, since this is what it would amount to!!!

Anyway, I was asking how the methodology compared to the current legislation and case law, now who would decide these things.

I'll ask a policeman or traffic warden about 'managed growth' the next time I see one, shall I??

Dusty

I'll tell you the 'reasoning' Mick - self-interest - it's the same reasoning that seems to lead to all of the other union policies.

What do you mean by 'no other viable alternative'? The alternative is obvious - by 'viable' I assume you mean 'self-serving'?

What are you saying when you say of Taxibank: "Taxibank looked to manage work from the stations and return a healthy profit to its shareholders".

Your union is doing exactly the same, isn't it, but the only difference is that with Taxibank it's shareholders rather than T&G permit holders?

If you say that you don't support the principle personally then I don't know why you seem to persist in defending it, as it does nothing to support either your own or the T&G's position.

Dusty

Yes, it's a mess Mick, that's why we would be better with national legislation and policies, and which is why the T&G call for a National Cab Act, presumably.

But the point is clearly that policy is qualified for local needs where it suits local intersests, and this just undermines the whole union's holier than thou stance on issues like 'free and open access'.

What do you mean comparisons with other areas are condemned when made by a union? It seems to me that it's the union that doesn't want comparisons made, at least where it doesn't suit its ineterests.

Dusty

ahah, listen to the pan calling the kettle black, you Dusty have nothing to lose but lots to gain from new rules, so have I.

I do have some sympathy for the ones who bought plates, I happen to think that plate values will forever be with us, because its the value of the buisness that matters not the plate itself.

I am currently in discussion about buying a plate right now the vendor says with my skill I can make it worth £15,000.

hes right.

I can go to my council with a WAV and they will plate it and I can make that plate worth £15,000

last year his turnover made tax at £200 now thats not worth £15,000 ah he says you know cash buisness, yes I know cash buisness its not worth £15,000.

hes upset cos if I say it aint worth it nobody will buy, I keep hearing of the man round the corner, the f***** stays there

lets give an example in the bus industry. where licenses are not restricted by number

When privatisation went through buses were sold to the workforce or so the blurb said but 55% shares were held by three people.

This was sold to badgerline, that 55% bought for the asset value suddently came worth 10 times asset value, the 3 former council workers were now worth more than a double rollover on the narional lottery.


4 months down the line firat bus aquired Badgerline, now for 15 times the asset base

now where the excess profit here? and remember this is from tendered service.

But if plates aren't restricted in numbers then they won't have a value - if there's any value, it's for the business (goodwill etc) and not for the plate per se.

Dusty

look at it any way you want, but buisness and lucrative ones have value so it will always be.

a car in a retrictive agency will have value. ph or hackney that is

Dusty, I can't believe that you are asking a National organisation to represent the interests of people who CHOOSE not to be part of their membership.

After all Dusty I know that the permits are T&G permits so your statement following that presumption should be discounted entirely. You fail to see the beauty of non restrictive pratices, funny how you want the whole trade to adopt the "flexible" approach the T&G currently do yet you consistantly call them for it.

You seem to be scaremongering people into thinking as you do, thye T&G will represent local issues through their branches, but a lot of what happens locally is defended using either the 1847 or the 1976 Acts, both of which are years out of date with public and trade requirements.

"The current legislation is a big enough joke, now you want police and traffic wardens to decide the excess profits of T&G plateholders, since this is what it would amount to!!!

Anyway, I was asking how the methodology compared to the current legislation and case law, now who would decide these things.

I'll ask a policeman or traffic warden about 'managed growth' the next time I see one, shall I??

Dusty"

Dear me Dusty read what I write mate, there is enough of it, you don't need to make stuff like this up.

Managed growth should NOT just be decided by the trade, their needs to be consultation. Please tell me why the Police Service and Traffic Wardens shouldn't be brought into the equation when they have got the power to stop any new ranks providing provision for the new plates. Explain to me also what your opinon is of taxi drivers recieving PARKING TICKETS whilst sitting behind a rank waiting for work, because Dusty this is what we are having to put up with up here mate.

You condone the T&G actions as self serving, so what do you call your actions, forcing people to agree with your opinions is wrong, very wrong indeed, telling lies to add credibility to your opinions is even worse. Some on here are guilty of both.

With regard your crappy response to the T&G following Taxibank by putting profits before principles and your outrageous comparisons, all I can say is that the T&G actions will support drivers livelyhoods for £2.10 a week, Taxibank will support their own best interests for over £100 a week, do you still want to discuss your comparison. Next you'll be telling us that Medigen are the saviours of our trade.

We will never agree on what is best for the future of our trade, we will therefore never agree on how we should get there. What we do agree on however is that the trade needs to change, we need to evolve into a 21st Century service and we need to ensure that we offer a level of services which best suit the needs of the general public and thats where this paragraph and our arguments go full circle.

Happy New Year Dusty.

B. Lucky

Obviously the statement should have read -

After all Dusty I know that the permits aren't T&G permits so your statement following that presumption should be discounted entirely. You fail to see the beauty of non restrictive pratices, funny how you want the whole trade to adopt the "flexible" approach the T&G currently do yet you consistantly call them for it.


A small typing error which would have ammused some of you.

B. Lucky

There is only one way to look at it, and that's plates only have value when they are restricted.

If someone or something has built up a goodwill amount, then they deserve to have it. But being part of a restricted cartel, doesn't amount to a penny of goodwill.

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But then they shouldn't preach to others in their publications.

Campaigning on a principle, and then allowing your own to ignore it, is a massive sign of weakness.

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