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BTW I never got kicked out of ComCab I just never returned after the issue with the wheelchairs and the H&S. Although I did give Henry Glasgow a mouthful over the phone. It wouldn't surprise me if I was barred there also.

You see TC I am answering your questions. The only thing I would add is I just can't be as servile as you and Ross it sort of goes against the grain. :wink:


If you had attended the meeting of these idiots then you would have much more backing, One thing I do agree with you is that its galling to sit in front of people have very little thinking ability and latch onto a company logo like a moth with a hardon to headlights. Sometimes you have to be slapped about to get support not attack those that would not fancy a fight and have more pressing problems on their minds like mortgages and loans. :roll:

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A fair point but my experience tells me that people who do not have the courage of their convictions want to see you slapped down just because they are weak, and you make them feel uncomfortable with their miserable existence i.e mortgages and loans :wink:

No one forced them to buy into their little suburban night mare and I don't see why I should be the one to pay for it. :wink:

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Apart from the obvious benifets to troublemakers like you garry what else would derestriction achieve? poverty for all :lol: I've never done a survey but cabs seem to dominate the traffic these days...well maybe second to empty buses :lol:

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It just shows how much you listen Jack :roll: we want quality controls just like in London. Other than that I can see no good reason why any driver who earns his living driving someone else's taxi should be denied the opportunity of driving his own.

No qualified driver should be forced to pay rentals or plate premiums to prop up a restrictive practice especially when all the work is going to the competition. :wink:


Lets say I agree then, thats utopia for one small section of the trade, what about the rest?

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Apart from the obvious benifets to troublemakers like you garry what else would derestriction achieve? poverty for all :lol: I've never done a survey but cabs seem to dominate the traffic these days...well maybe second to empty buses :lol:

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It just shows how much you listen Jack :roll: we want quality controls just like in London. Other than that I can see no good reason why any driver who earns his living driving someone else's taxi should be denied the opportunity of driving his own.

No qualified driver should be forced to pay rentals or plate premiums to prop up a restrictive practice especially when all the work is going to the competition. :wink:


Lets say I agree then, thats utopia for one small section of the trade, what about the rest?

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The value should be in the brief and not in the plate. The small section of the trade is the plate holders the majority are the drivers. Better having everyone pushing in the same direction rather than a few with plates pulling everyone down because of artificial plate premiums and a system that cannot last.

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Apart from the obvious benifets to troublemakers like you garry what else would derestriction achieve? poverty for all :lol: I've never done a survey but cabs seem to dominate the traffic these days...well maybe second to empty buses :lol:

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It just shows how much you listen Jack :roll: we want quality controls just like in London. Other than that I can see no good reason why any driver who earns his living driving someone else's taxi should be denied the opportunity of driving his own.

No qualified driver should be forced to pay rentals or plate premiums to prop up a restrictive practice especially when all the work is going to the competition. :wink:


Lets say I agree then, thats utopia for one small section of the trade, what about the rest?

Jack


The value should be in the brief and not in the plate. The small section of the trade is the plate holders the majority are the drivers. Better having everyone pushing in the same direction rather than a few with plates pulling everyone down because of artificial plate premiums and a system that cannot last.

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"The value should be in the brief and not in the plate." is that The city of Edinburgh councils brief? you think they are best placed to administer the cab trade?

The second part I agree with up to a point, but is it not the case that the current situation has come about because of a stalling of the economy rather than plate holders hoping for a windfall?

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Apart from the obvious benifets to troublemakers like you garry what else would derestriction achieve? poverty for all :lol: I've never done a survey but cabs seem to dominate the traffic these days...well maybe second to empty buses :lol:

Jack


It just shows how much you listen Jack :roll: we want quality controls just like in London. Other than that I can see no good reason why any driver who earns his living driving someone else's taxi should be denied the opportunity of driving his own.

No qualified driver should be forced to pay rentals or plate premiums to prop up a restrictive practice especially when all the work is going to the competition. :wink:


Lets say I agree then, thats utopia for one small section of the trade, what about the rest?

Jack


The value should be in the brief and not in the plate. The small section of the trade is the plate holders the majority are the drivers. Better having everyone pushing in the same direction rather than a few with plates pulling everyone down because of artificial plate premiums and a system that cannot last.

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"The value should be in the brief and not in the plate." is that The city of Edinburgh councils brief? you think they are best placed to administer the cab trade?

The second part I agree with up to a point, but is it not the case that the current situation has come about because of a stalling of the economy rather than plate holders hoping for a windfall?

Jack


No the trade should regulate its own quality control standard
with transferable qualification, we decide not the council.

Yes the economy is not good but I would say the trade has went out of it's way to ignore every indication it was losing it's market share to the competition.

Edinburgh has been a boom City for almost every business except the taxi trade. The stalling of the economy just goes to show what bad shape the trade is in.

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You know this you really are thick

If we had won in court the first time around the council would have been inundated with applications. What do you think would have happened then? Yes that's right derestriction. I did not believe for one minute the council would let us cash in the plates, although it would have been nice.

"No Cartel owning mogul" you dumb git just a free market the plates would have been worthless.

It would have been quality controls or nothing, all would be equal.



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No, I am interest not only a plate for myself but a number of plates with the view of putting them on as a company, auctioning them or both, if there is a residual value left in the plates. It quite simply comes down to what makes the most money under the circumstances, for me its business.


My colleagues on the other hand want a plate for themselves to run their own taxi. As for other who might be interested, they pay their money and take their chances just like the rest of us, such as life as they say.



Which one is it to be Garry?
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You know this you really are thick

If we had won in court the first time around the council would have been inundated with applications. What do you think would have happened then? Yes that's right derestriction. I did not believe for one minute the council would let us cash in the plates, although it would have been nice.

"No Cartel owning mogul" you dumb git just a free market the plates would have been worthless.

It would have been quality controls or nothing, all would be equal.



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No, I am interest not only a plate for myself but a number of plates with the view of putting them on as a company, auctioning them or both, if there is a residual value left in the plates. It quite simply comes down to what makes the most money under the circumstances, for me its business.


My colleagues on the other hand want a plate for themselves to run their own taxi. As for other who might be interested, they pay their money and take their chances just like the rest of us, such as life as they say.



Which one is it to be Garry?


Take your pick Ross if we had won in court the next move would have been that of the council. Our decision would have been made then. My bet was we would never have got the opportunity to sell on the other hand we still could run the taxis collectively. I would have been a drive or an owner it depends on how you look at it.


Ross you won't catch me out there is nothing to catch. The trade has a choice, quality control or derestriction and it's going to happen sooner rather than later. If they don't act to change the situation then take what they get. I wouldn't count on the council to save your bacon either.


Now what is it you really want to know Ross?

I am one of the bad guys Ross I have told you this before. I don't wrestle with the same social conscience you do. I never got the program and I don't care what you or anybody else thinks. The difference between you and me is you pretend to care and you think this makes you better than me, enjoy Ross. :wink:

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nah skull the difference is that you are an opportunist, who thought his merry band would bring the trade to its knees, fact is you are nothing more than an ex taxi baron cartel owning mogul, and now you will get jack and no one even wants you to drive thier cabs for them.

why dont you go on to PH?
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nah skull the difference is that you are an opportunist, who thought his merry band would bring the trade to its knees, fact is you are nothing more than an ex taxi baron cartel owning mogul, and now you will get jack and no one even wants you to drive thier cabs for them.

why dont you go on to PH?


I take it you realise that what you write does not make sense. You don't own a cartel nor can you be a mogul owning a cartel. I like the ex taxi baron bit but it's a tad inappropriate.

As for the Ph well you never know do you? :wink:

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The difference between you and me is you pretend to care and you think this makes you better than me, enjoy Ross.


I don't think I'm better than you. It's not me that keeps talking about equality.

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Ross you won't catch me out there is nothing to catch.


Wrong again. I am not trying to catch you out, only pointing to out your obvious changes in arguement to suit the situtation.
The only consistances are the words "freeplate, deregulation and cartel" and the figure 40,000.

Its almost a year since you posted

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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:00 pm Post subject: Edinburgh, teetering on brink? (De-restriction)

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Pending Court Case, Edinburgh Council (14/07/05)


In the event that Edinburgh Council go ahead and fight the applications for Edinburgh Taxi Licence Plates and lose, the flood gates will be open.

Legal counsel advised us that Edinburgh Council is facing a humiliating defeat resulting in de-restriction if they go ahead with the legal challenge.

The only recourse given to the Council and the trade would be an eleventh hour back down by the Council granting the licence plates and avoiding the total de-restriction of the Edinburgh Taxi Trade.


The Council are in the process of commissioning a survey of demand to be completed by the end of August 2005 and implemented, end November 2005 any new applications would fall into this time period. A defeat in court however would render this survey null and void.


The End




Has it really been worth it ?
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The difference between you and me is you pretend to care and you think this makes you better than me, enjoy Ross.


I don't think I'm better than you. It's not me that keeps talking about equality.

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Ross you won't catch me out there is nothing to catch.


Wrong again. I am not trying to catch you out, only pointing to out your obvious changes in arguement to suit the situtation.
The only consistances are the words "freeplate, deregulation and cartel" and the figure 40,000.

Its almost a year since you posted

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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:00 pm Post subject: Edinburgh, teetering on brink? (De-restriction)

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Pending Court Case, Edinburgh Council (14/07/05)


In the event that Edinburgh Council go ahead and fight the applications for Edinburgh Taxi Licence Plates and lose, the flood gates will be open.

Legal counsel advised us that Edinburgh Council is facing a humiliating defeat resulting in de-restriction if they go ahead with the legal challenge.

The only recourse given to the Council and the trade would be an eleventh hour back down by the Council granting the licence plates and avoiding the total de-restriction of the Edinburgh Taxi Trade.


The Council are in the process of commissioning a survey of demand to be completed by the end of August 2005 and implemented, end November 2005 any new applications would fall into this time period. A defeat in court however would render this survey null and void.


The End




Has it really been worth it ?


Its not finished yet and there's a lot more going on than you know Ross. Wait and see :wink: the council are not out of the woods yet and according to what I am being told losing in court is not an option they want to take.


Read Donald Anderson's statement on Fasties the one Stu posted about not protecting a commercial monopoly, you don't think he was just talking about vehicle choice do you?

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Read Donald Anderson's statement on Fasties the one Stu posted about not protecting a commercial monopoly, you don't think he was just talking about vehicle choice do you?


If that was the case, then why haven't you got your plates on the first asking ?
If that was the case then why did the (flawed) Jacobs report not come out in your favour ? Your claim was that the report was fixed in the council favour. How can it be if the council is not about protecting commercial monopoly's. Doesn't make sense
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If that was the case, then why haven't you got your plates on the first asking?


The court case went against us but not the courts as you know there are a number of cases on their way to the High Court on appeal. The council has lost on every other occasion.

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If that was the case then why did the (flawed) Jacobs report not come out in your favour ?


Jacobs was a fix plain and simple all the critical data was left out of the report. Councilor Wigglesworth went on the record at the council meeting saying it was flawed. If you don’t believe me ask him. This was all about a bunch of scrot taxi driver challenging the council and nothing else. The establishment closed ranks and shafted us. They won the battle but lost the War.

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Your claim was that the report was fixed in the council favour. How can it be if the council is not about protecting commercial monopoly's. Doesn't make sense


It makes perfect sense all the council wants is time. Losing in court means a little humiliation and nothing else, having time to move the goal posts like they had it planned is all they are interested in. Don’t forget Ross these guys are politicians they will take every piece of information like the Fair View news letter and the Need for Change Report and reinvent it as their own.

You think I’m bad you have no idea of how low these guys are prepared to go but protect the establishment they will. To them we are not the electorate we are the enemy their war is one of deception and control. You and I are just pawns on a chess board and nothing else.

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It makes perfect sense all the council wants is time. Losing in court means a little humiliation and nothing else, having time to move the goal posts like they had it planned is all they are interested in. Don’t forget Ross these guys are politicians they will take every piece of information like the Fair View news letter and the Need for Change Report and reinvent it as their own.

You think I’m bad you have no idea of how low these guys are prepared to go but protect the establishment they will. To them we are not the electorate we are the enemy their war is one of deception and control. You and I are just pawns on a chess board and nothing else.
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i agree with skull on these points and its not just the good old taxi or PH trade they do it with either. in the end its all about VOTES VOTES VOTES and a nice we job with loads of perks.

they love to look good do these politician types. :wink: :wink: :wink:
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If that was the case, then why haven't you got your plates on the first asking ?
If that was the case then why did the (flawed) Jacobs report not come out in your favour ? Your claim was that the report was fixed in the council favour. How can it be if the council is not about protecting commercial monopoly's. Doesn't make sense


These things don't happen overnight, but with the likes of the court cases and TNFC document being highlighted in the last few months then perhaps CEC is slowly coming to the realisation that the plate cartel is both economically inefficient and socially unjust.

Indeed, I suspect that if issues like these were higher up on the political radar screen then things would happen a lot quicker or perhaps the policy would never have been implemented in the first place.

And Cllr Anderson's statement is interesting, since it's either evidence of the vulnerability of the cartel or Donald Anderson's hypocrisy.

But either way the cartel loses. :?

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