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The thousands paid yearly by jockies to plateholders, a generalised term again which provides no information on which to form an independant opinion.

Shall we say that a plateholder drives the car dayshift and the jockey drives the car nights. What if the jockey pays a flat rate of £75 a week to the plateholder which covers everything other than fuel, is that extortion?

What about bloke B, rents a car he NEVER drives, £160 all in for 24hrs a day 7 days a week, is that extortion?

What about bloke C, rents a car to a driver £150 (without insurance or maintainance) per week, £105 a week for office fees, tells the driver when he can work and when he's got to go home, is that extortion?

You see the relationship between jockies and owner-driver plateholders depends on whether THEY find it to be fair and resonable, however where a plate is held purely to gain profit from its rental cannot be condoned whatever the deal.

B. Lucky

The T&G can do what they wish, but promoting a policy nationally, whilst allowing your own to do otherwise, doesn't make an awful lot of sense.

Does it?

I mean if the T&G can't convince their own, what right have they to preach to others?

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IDFIMH

I don't believe those rents to be extortionate, but one has to bear in mind that your manor is de-limited. Albeit on the basis of WAVs.

Therefore the rents have to be reasonable otherwise the owners would have no jockeys.

However in my manor, and it has been mentioned Manchester, the rents are in the region of £175-250 a week.

Now this is extortionate, but the lads who can't afford a black market plate, have no choice but to pay these rates.

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IDFIMH

Rents for WAVs are over your quoted figures for Manchester from certain plateholders in Gateshead mate and as you have pointed out these are the FREE plates you are arguing for. It further illustrates my own arguments that deregulation is not the way forward, but I agree that plate allocations are currently wrong when a premium is demanded.

Maybe we should stop warning others of our own experiences and just allow them to make their own mistakes, then at least when you reach the point I'm at now I can say "I told you so".

B. Lucky

I'm not sure it does favour your way forward.

De-limitation will be best for jockeys, cos they will not have to pay so much rent, it will be better for me, cos then I can choose to drive/own a HC without paying someone's pension.

It will be bad for those that take, take, take out of the trade, and for that I will be eternally grateful.

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IDFIMH

Quote Sussex

"Now this is extortionate, but the lads who can't afford a black market plate, have no choice but to pay these rates."

Or find another job...which will then mean that there are less jockeys to go around which therefore means that the owners will have to give better deals.

Or perhaps the jockeys are happy with what they have.
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But Sussex Man I've allready pointed out that my own experience has clearly shown an increase in the number of jockey'd cars. This is obviously because jockeys either don't want or are unable to fork out the £30k for a WAV, those with the finances to afford such vehicles then buy some and offer them to the jockey's.

You are still under some sort of illusion that deregulation will ignore the DDA and allow you a H/C plate for a saloon.

B. Lucky

Perhaps they are, and if so then there will be no change for some.

However if I was paying someone say £200 a week, and someone said you could do the same for £100 a week, it wouldn't take me too long to decide which was best for me.

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IDFIMH

Unlike you manor, when the DDA comes into force in my manor, it may lead to less HCs. A lot of the 'widows' will suddenly have no-one to drive for them. A lot of the Costa Brava brigade ditto.

Thus they are like to [edited by admin] off from the trade they have milked for so long, and f***ing good job too.

But you keep mentioning the figure of £30,000. If as many as you say keep on paying £30,000, then LTI would be the UK's number 1 car seller.

But they aren't, drivers are paying around £20,000 for a new WAV, and a colleague of mine has just paid £10,000 for a S reg TX.

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IDFIMH

What on earth are you talking about Sussex Man, I'm not playing guessing games like you matey I'm quoting facts based on recent historical events.

Deregulation HAS lead to more jockey's in Gateshead, thats a fact Sussex Man, and incidentally more multiple plateholders who in YOUR opinion are wrecking the trade.

Some jockey's couldn't get £5k credit never mind £10k for a S reg TX, thats why they turn to those who can.

Sure there will, and in a lot of areas, should be a signifigant number of new plates issued, maybe the government will direct councils to adopt a "free plate for a WAV" policy but the numbers of licenses should allways be proportionate and should never leave drivers struggling to make a decent living.

B. Lucky

I wonder how many miles that s reg Tx1 has done. A collegue of mine replaced his N reg metro cab for an s reg metro for about £10,000 a few months ago I think that it has spent at least one day a week off the road.

Any second hand purpose built cab over a year old is not worth the money. I never understand how they hold their value so much.

I'm talking about what I believe will happen. If it differs from what you say and see, then it differs from what you say and see, nothing else.

If de-limitation has led to more jockeys, then so what?

Those that can afford a WAV, buy and run one. Those that can't, have a far cheaper rent to pay than most.

If someone can't afford a WAV, then it doesn't matter one jot to them if an area is de-limited or not. Apart from the fact that they are not being fleeced (now that word rings a bell) by cartels up and down the country.

With the support I may add, of those that are meant to protect us.

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IDFIMH

The previous owner didn't have a jockey, so perhaps not as much as you think.

As for the Metro, the fact that it's only off the road one day a week, is a cause for celebration.

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IDFIMH

Very strange, Sussex Man, that you have failed to read my entire earlier post, where I clearly pointed out that to hire a WAV up here costs £10 at least a week more than a saloon to rent.

To pick you up on another point where you believe that paying £100 a week for your own car is better than paying £200 to rent one. Your mate will soon discover that servicing, insurance, tyres, plate costs will cost him not a kick in the arse off £100 a week, and that major repairs will allways come when you both least expect them and when you have only just got the money to pay for them.

B. Lucky

So what?

The point at issue isn't whether a saloon or a WAV is best for a jockey, but whether it's best for them renting in a de-limited area, or a limited area.

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IDFIMH