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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:33 pm 
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Sorry to have to tell you this Skull. But I think you're talking to yourself.

Leastways all of those who are viewing this, either can't bring themselves to respond or, dazzled like rabbits in the glaring headlamps of reason and logic, they're too scared to.

There has to be a lot of worried people out there.



jasbar wrote:
Sorry to have to tell you this Skull. But I think you're talking to yourself.

Leastways all of those who are viewing this, either can't bring themselves to respond or, dazzled like rabbits in the glaring headlamps of reason and logic, they're too scared to.

There has to be a lot of worried people out there.



Now Jasbar why would anyone be scared to respond to your good self or anyone else, the only reason I can think of is that by responding to any of you is that it might prompt another hissy fit.

It's also very damaging to all of us to have to keep reading how the public are being ripped off by the hackney trade in Edinburgh when there is no evidence to support your claims that by freeing up the market we would have cheaper fares, is there?

The maximum Fares set by the council in Edinburgh seem to fit in quite well with the National average, the thing that strikes me most about the Evening News fare debacle is that limit on numbers has no apparent affect on fare levels, so could you explain this to everyone please Jasbar or Skull.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:57 pm 
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jasbar wrote:
Sorry to have to tell you this Skull. But I think you're talking to yourself.

Leastways all of those who are viewing this, either can't bring themselves to respond or, dazzled like rabbits in the glaring headlamps of reason and logic, they're too scared to.

There has to be a lot of worried people out there.



jasbar wrote:
Sorry to have to tell you this Skull. But I think you're talking to yourself.

Leastways all of those who are viewing this, either can't bring themselves to respond or, dazzled like rabbits in the glaring headlamps of reason and logic, they're too scared to.

There has to be a lot of worried people out there.



Now Jasbar why would anyone be scared to respond to your good self or anyone else, the only reason I can think of is that by responding to any of you is that it might prompt another hissy fit.

It's also very damaging to all of us to have to keep reading how the public are being ripped off by the hackney trade in Edinburgh when there is no evidence to support your claims that by freeing up the market we would have cheaper fares, is there?

The maximum Fares set by the council in Edinburgh seem to fit in quite well with the National average, the thing that strikes me most about the Evening News fare debacle is that limit on numbers has no apparent affect on fare levels, so could you explain this to everyone please Jasbar or Skull.


You can't be sirius. You know full well your desperate to respond.

Damaging to read how the taxi trade rips off punters? Good, I hope it upsets you. And I hope it generates anger in those who are sitting behind you.

You refuse to engage proper debate. You got personal rather than argue the issues. You have left no alternative.

So, YOU explain to your customers why you're sitting on a £50 goldmine, why you're charging them ever more when the market is falling? Why your bucking market trends? Why you see them as nothing more than cash cows?

Meanwhile I'll just keep whipping up the storm until commercial reality sets in and the trade can throw off the shackles of the vested interests of owners and the council.

"The maximum Fares set by the council in Edinburgh seem to fit in quite well with the National average"? Great, but why are passenger numbers falling? Why should we keep hiking fares just to make up for falling revenue from our diminishing market?

Restricted numbers don't have any affect on fares? Once again, you can't be sirius! Restricted numbers, as well as bumping up plate values, hikes rentals - a factor taken into account in significant unmet demand studies all over the country (as are increasing plate values).

Curiously, CEC's survet excluded these factors. Why? because they had no intention ever of increasing numbers. The taxi owners on the cartel didn't want it. neither did the PH owners in the cartel want it. The cosy wee club scripted the report, then gave Jacobs around thirty grand to do very little or nothing and keep their traps shut.

Sirius, this was corruption posing as political process.

At the end of the day, these shenanigans bring little credit to the trade.

The days of the £50K plates are over. They are vulnerable. They will go.

Please don't sell yours. You'd only hurt an idiot and deny me the please of costing you £50K.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:59 pm 
Sorry, that should have read, you'd only hurt an idiot, and deny me the pleasure of costing you £50K.

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You cannot be Sirius

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The maximum Fares set by the council in Edinburgh seem to fit in quite well with the National average



The public don't seem to agree with you Sirius especially with plate values running at £50,000 and just in-case you never noticed the Evening News had a poll with 80% of the public not happy, I could be wrong but I'm sure that's what they said. :wink:

It's all about the customers perception after all :wink:

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Well let me just remind you that I dont have a plate to sell, I have never had one!

The point I am making is this, if the number limit was lifted tomorrow would the fare structure change to reflect this, looking around the rest of the Country I would have to draw the conclusion that it makes no difference to the fare levels set otherwise the areas that have lifted the limit on numbers would have significantly lower fares and a better service, they would have no serious competition from buses, PH or any other means of getting from a to b but they do and often more than us, my concern in this is not that plate values will fall or disappear, or that it would deny you the chance to hurt any "idiots", it's about drivers income falling to levels where it would no longer become feasible to drive a Taxi for a living, or have a fleet of quality wheelchair accessible M1 spec vehicles.

If you could just answer the points without becoming abusive to anyone who disagrees with your vision of utopia it might help things move along in the right direction, I kind of get the impression you are more intrested in getting back at the "idiots" and unfortunately everyone in your eyes seems to be one if they dont see things from your point of view.


As for your 80% figure in the Evening News survey, that was a loaded question, was that the same public who knocked back the chance to unlock £2 billion pound to improve/replace the housing stock in Edinburgh as long as they agreed to transfer to associations.

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And by the way I have never been more sirius :lol:

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No taxis


OVER THE past few years my friends and I have found it increasingly difficult to get a taxi home from the city centre in Dundee at the weekend.
On a number of occasions we have ended up walking home without as much as seeing a taxi.

A few years ago there was never such a problem.

The paradox is that the population of the city has decreased and the council has issued more licences than ever, yet it is virtually impossible to hail a taxi at closing time at the weekend.

One of the reasons is that some taxi drivers choose not to work on a Friday and Saturday night (or when there is an event taking place like a Blues Bonanza or a World Cup) because they would rather be out socialising.

When the council issued all these extra licences they should have attached certain conditions, such as the taxi must operate a certain percentage of Fridays and Saturdays throughout the year. — Sair Legs.



http://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/outpu ... tters.shtm


Not made much difference there has it?

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Skull wrote:
This guy has a point :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Unfair taxi system favours the owners

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/lette ... 1045242006

I must admit if I was in your shoes the one thing I would bang on about is plate values. :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:27 pm 
Now Sirius, consider the scenario.

Drivers are allowed to operate their own licences. This will put pressure on drivers to work precisely when the public needs them. No point sitting on a rank doing nothing is there.

This means that drivers will need to cover rush hours, peak periods and, yes, overnight weekends. Those who don't won't earn.

This is why de-restriction is so attractive to the paying public.

They will be able to get a taxi when they need one.

At other times, there will be a regular supply of taxis, the public will just need to step out of their brownstone and stick the hand up. Who would need to fone for a cab, or a private hire.

Isn't this why PH are so against increasing taxi numbers - as they stated in the Jacob report?

After a period of adjustment, I reckon we'd win through. The public get the taxi service they deserve. PH get a flea in their ear. All round, the public's first choice would be a vehicle with first class standards with drivers who actually can speak the language and know where they're going.


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A question for you Jim.

Being one of Alan Roden contacts in the Evening news, How come there was no comment from yourself on his latest article ? and how come you never write letters to correct any mistakes (and there are many) about the trade you care for so much ?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:41 pm 
Ross

Sorry this simply doesn't compute. Would you like to explain it?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:42 pm 
Sirius wrote:
No taxis


OVER THE past few years my friends and I have found it increasingly difficult to get a taxi home from the city centre in Dundee at the weekend.
On a number of occasions we have ended up walking home without as much as seeing a taxi.

A few years ago there was never such a problem.

The paradox is that the population of the city has decreased and the council has issued more licences than ever, yet it is virtually impossible to hail a taxi at closing time at the weekend.

One of the reasons is that some taxi drivers choose not to work on a Friday and Saturday night (or when there is an event taking place like a Blues Bonanza or a World Cup) because they would rather be out socialising.

When the council issued all these extra licences they should have attached certain conditions, such as the taxi must operate a certain percentage of Fridays and Saturdays throughout the year. — Sair Legs.



http://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/outpu ... tters.shtm


Not made much difference there has it?


So Sirius

When did Dundee de-restrict?


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After a period of adjustment, I reckon we'd win through.


More questions jim

How long would the period of adjustment be, weeks, months, years ?

What price would taxi drivers pay during the period of adjustment ?

Why only reckon, why not guarantee we'd win through ?


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Sorry this simply doesn't compute. Would you like to explain it?


Jim, you are listed as one of Alan Roden (Transport Evening News) contacts. Which means he would have contacted you for a comment on the survey. You either had nothing to say or he didn't catch you in.

You are never out of the Evening news letters page with your opinions, but you never write to complain of any false information printed in the Evening News about the trade you care for so much ?


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Sussex wrote:
Skull wrote:
This guy has a point :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Unfair taxi system favours the owners

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/lette ... 1045242006

I must admit if I was in your shoes the one thing I would bang on about is plate values. :wink:



Why the obsession with plate values, they are only part of the equation Sussex are they not, but they are trying to pull the wool over the publics eyes with this one, as they did with the alternative vehicle scenario, by saying it would lead to cheaper fares, or the people with six seater vehicles should pass the savings on to the passengers?

The thing is they are frightened to engage in debate with anyone other than people who are in wholesale agreement with them, personaly I have found their thinking on this rather schizophrenic and contradictory, Jasbar states that he hopes this will generate anger in the people behind us, why? I have so many people who are angry sitting behind me already I dont wish to inflame the situation and make it worse than it already is, it's a red herring and it's dangerous!

Argue about these things if you want and I do want, but lets keep a sense of perspective, nobody can tell me why the fares in an area that has no plate value are often higher than ours, so how does this translate to their argument that it is the plate value that adds to the fares for the General Public?

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