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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:22 am 
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rambo wrote:
I am PH, driver and controller, and I state right know, WE DO NOT DESERVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS TAXIS, 90% of my drivers can't even speak english properly!!.
What we need is english speaking drivers who know how to read an A-Z.
We need to sort our house out first before we can start making demands.


Sussex is right when he says the problem in the main lies with those entrusted to make the regulations? However, your comments won't be lost on many readers and neither will the fact that each individual P/H operator could if they wished have their own quality method of entry? Therefore if an operator wants to implement high entry standards, they have it within their power to do so.

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Well if it's the licensing system that's at fault then shouldn't it be a condition of that licence that a firm should demonstrate that they are looking after the needs of drivers as well as customers.

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Well if it's the licensing system that's at fault then shouldn't it be a condition of that licence that a firm should demonstrate that they are looking after the needs of drivers as well as customers.


And that a high turnover of drivers would indicate that they are not looking after the needs of their drivers.

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Well done to those at the Lambeth Mini Cab Forum who are organising the door to door campaign and the support that is being given to them by the GMB.

Indeed well done, I look forward to reading what happened in the Courier.

And of course GBC making some snide comments about it.

Ollie


Not really Ollie.

But with an arse like Flannagan at the helm your doomed before you've even started.

He's more concerned with bringing the monarchy and government down, opposed to the concerns of the Minicab trade.

. . . . and lets not forget the fact he celebrates murder. :?

To come from one failed industry, then proclaim he is some sort of saviour to another, is beggars belief.

If your happy with that, and are happy to pay him £15 a month, good luck.


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Well done to those at the Lambeth Mini Cab Forum who are organising the door to door campaign and the support that is being given to them by the GMB.

Following the support that has been pledged for the protest the organising must start in earnest

The discrimmination against the Private Hire industry is having a devastating effect on some of the most vunerable people in society and must be confronted.

If an elderly, disabled or incapacitated person wants to be dropped off on a red route the driver faces prosecution and a fine if he complies with that wish.

Alternativly he could comply with the law and drop the person off at the nearest place legally possible. This could mean a walk of hundreds of yards for those least able to undertake such a task. (which is why they called a car in the first place).

If this isn't blatent discriminatory practice brought about by those with a vested interest I don't know what is.

The attitude of these elements seems to be, "to hell with the needs of anyone as long as I'm alright jack".

Those who wish to see the anomoly of Private Hire vehicles being denied access to bus lanes and red routes simply want to close the industry down so as they can monopolise the trade.

If a few disabled and elderly people are inconvienianced on the way their attitude seems to be " to hell with it as long as I am alright".

The forum and the GMB are quite right to campaign against the suffering that this selfish mentality perpetuates. That is the suffering of those who are being denied a door to door service.

I havn't even mentioned yet the poor drivers who are being forced out of the industry because of perpetual fines for trying to do the decent thing.

If common sense doesn't prevail there is, unfortunatly, no alternative to the type of action being proposed.

I will be at the Forum meeting on the 26th September in Streatham. hopefully with a few collegues, drivers, proprieters, controllers and others associated with private hire who are seeking fairness and a level playing field.




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I havn't even mentioned yet the poor drivers who are being forced out of the industry because of perpetual fines for trying to do the decent thing.




And the licensed Taxi trade does'nt? :shock:

I've had (and defended, thanks to the LTDA team) three this year all for alledged infringements of box junctions and U-turning where U-turning is allowed. :?

The reason people leave your side of the trade, and always have done, is the pizz poor money thats paid.

Driving a cab, 100% goes into my pocket, whereas your operators skim of their share leaving your drivers with little more than the 16yr old kid that serves you at Tesco on a Saturday.

Thats why drivers leave your industry, nothing to do with red routes or PCN's.

Just wait until the next million arrive from Romania next year, i'd take up the Big Issue if I were you. :wink:


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Well if it's the licensing system that's at fault then shouldn't it be a condition of that licence that a firm should demonstrate that they are looking after the needs of drivers as well as customers.

I think there are many pieces of euro law, about health and safety, that should be being applied now in relation to drivers and punters.

I noticed recently that Auriga now have a time limit on the amount of time a driver can be logged on. But I bet a pound to a penny no operator of Auriga has ever turned it on. :sad:

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I think there are many pieces of euro law, about health and safety, that should be being applied now in relation to drivers and punters.


The nearest comparable job, with regard to average weekly hours, that I can find is junior doctors.

There seems to be quite a detailed plan in place for them whereby their average hours will be reduced in several stages over the next few years. Looks like the final figure will be 46 or 48, not sure which.

Wouldn't be surprised if taxi and PH drivers hours legislation ended up with a similar result (but more than likely some time after that of junior doctors) with some sort of allowance added on for waiting for jobs.

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Let's hope not, since as it would be unenforceable it would benefit the cheats and penalise the scrupulous.

I don't know how they could do it anyway - if driving time was limited to 7 hours a day (say) then I could still effectively drive as many hours of the day as I wanted, because I only drive more than 7 hours or so exceptionally, even on a shift twice that length.

And if they limited total time (driving and idle) to ten (say), then on many's a shift I'd end up driving only a couple of hours, with takings to match - that would be about one hour with passengers in the car.

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Onzon wrote:

The nearest comparable job, with regard to average weekly hours, that I can find is junior doctors.

There seems to be quite a detailed plan in place for them whereby their average hours will be reduced in several stages over the next few years. Looks like the final figure will be 46 or 48, not sure which.

Wouldn't be surprised if taxi and PH drivers hours legislation ended up with a similar result (but more than likely some time after that of junior doctors) with some sort of allowance added on for waiting for jobs.


Two cases on the working time directive concerned Doctors hours, SIMAP and JAEGER. Information relating to those cases can be read below.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 7/6706.htm

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Thanks for that JD - clearly not a straightforward situation for many sectors, including transport.

But it is equally certain that such legislation is on the way and right now is the best time to work on some definitions of what are reasonably expected earnings for a given number of hours.

Taking hours strictly into account is not exactly the norm for the trade at the moment! :wink:

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Let's hope not, since as it would be unenforceable it would benefit the cheats and penalise the scrupulous.



I have a feeling that the meter might morph into some sort of tachograph at some time in the near future. :shock:

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I'm still waiting Terry! :wink:


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The system in london is all wrong.
How can someone who can't speak english be given a licence to work as a PHV?.
The owners could be stricter, but they don't care, as long as a driver pay's his rent, that's all that matters.

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