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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:09 pm 
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Are all the buses in London, are they full or empty


Outside the morning and evening rush they run about a quarter to half full, but at least they keep the roads gridlocked from 7AM through till 11PM :roll:

Then again they get paid millions regardless, so they don't really care, and the standards of driving? Well thats another topic altogether.
Suffice to say there are many similarities between them and the Minicab trade. :wink:


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ok Mr T most of the congestion is caused by the private motorist,hence congestion charge,Bus use is up by 33%,Ken dont like private companies but thanks to Maggie and darling Tony hes lumberd.Previously private motorists jammsd everything up now somewhat better lots more buses means lots more travelling for those who previously didnt have time or couldnt afford it,Tube travel up considerably equals less congestion.Our policy totally FREE public transport IE Rail Tube Bus.Congestion Zone extended to M25 come into london £35 a dayTaxi PHV exempt from con charge reult less private motorist faster cheaper travel for all.Our industry free to carry those who require our services.Couple this with lorry bans.IE no access at weekends.force as much as possible onto rail no Through lorry journeys would we believe allow us to earn a living and provide a good service to those that require it.Yep its revolutionary and would need fine tuning but has support in certain circles. ORGANISE EDUCATE AGITATE££££££££££££££££££££££££

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ok Mr T most of the congestion is caused by the private motorist,hence congestion charge,Bus use is up by 33%,Ken dont like private companies but thanks to Maggie and darling Tony hes lumberd.Previously private motorists jammsd everything up now somewhat better lots more buses means lots more travelling for those who previously didnt have time or couldnt afford it,Tube travel up considerably equals less congestion.Our policy totally FREE public transport IE Rail Tube Bus.Congestion Zone extended to M25 come into london £35 a dayTaxi PHV exempt from con charge reult less private motorist faster cheaper travel for all.Our industry free to carry those who require our services.Couple this with lorry bans.IE no access at weekends.force as much as possible onto rail no Through lorry journeys would we believe allow us to earn a living and provide a good service to those that require it.Yep its revolutionary and would need fine tuning but has support in certain circles. ORGANISE EDUCATE AGITATE££££££££££££££££££££££££


You seem to miss the point Terry.

The majority of bus services outside London are operating deregulated.

The story is refering to Piccadily Manchester NOT London.

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ORGANISE EDUCATE AGITATE££££££££££££££££££££££££


I already do :wink: :wink:


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Mr T then why ask questions about bus loadings in LondonIve no info on Manchesters problems no doubt our local officials could advise.By the way never heard of P Connor the only official i know up there is one Kevin Flanagan!!!
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Bus Deregulation Creates Confusion Which Deters
Potential Passengers From Using The Buses.

In Britain just about anyone can provide a public bus service - all they need to do is buy an often pre-used bus, decide upon a route & timetable and register the services with a local traffic commissioner - who will want to be satisfied that the bus operator is financially sound, will maintain the vehicles to the appropriate safety standards, is capable of operating the published timetable etc.

At no time does a potential bus operator need to pay any regard to any other bus services which might also be operating along the routes it wishes to serve.

Indeed, this means that buses can - and often do - compete against each other for passengers. For many towns and cities on-street "bus wars" became commonplace as vehicles jostle for position and race to be the first to the bus stop - and pocket the fares. After all, its a dog-eat-dog world, and just as people have a choice from which supermarkets they can buy their food so people should be able to also choose which bus company transports them. (quote / unquote government reasoning - see below).

As with the supermarkets most of the bus companies are reputable entities which value their patron's custom and try to give a good service. Nevertheless at times there has been some very shoddy behaviour - especially by bigger companies with deeper pockets - for instance by offering free transport until the incumbent local government company went into receivership. Some very canny bus companies also became very wealthy by buying incumbent bus operators at a knock-down price and then selling the land used by the bus stations; often the value of that land was far greater than the rest of the bus company's assets combined! This was seen to be "good business" even though the subsequent closure of the bus stations - for redevelopment - meant that passengers were then forced to use inconvenient street-based bus stops which offered inadequate facilities (weather protection / shelter, public toilets, etc...)

The stated aims of the national government which introduced this system of deregulated "hands off" bus operations was that it wanted to see bus patronage increase and to control costs by preventing unfettered subsidies. It believed in the free market and hoped that bus companies would become like supermarkets and provide a choice of "high quality luxury" as well "cheap'n'cheerful" services. They cited as an example a situation whereby every year the municipal bus companies would tell their local governments' finance ministers the size of the revenue shortfall - and automatically expect the pre-signed "blank cheque" to cover that amount as if by "divine right". So whilst it was true that some aspects of the bus industry may have been in need of reform the national government seemed to forget that buses were already competing against both the railways and private motoring - and many years (plus a change of government) later these other transports are still favoured by people who, had there been a real (and not a cynical "typical politicians") desire to improve bus transports could have been attracted to using the buses.

The government believed that increasing competitiveness was the only way to increase bus patronage, and to increase competitiveness used its position to force the breakup of existing bus companies which it deemed to be "too big" - even in cities such as Manchester where cut-throat on-street competition between some 70-odd bus companies already existed. The government also wanted to create a situation where the privatised companies would bear the brunt of paying for the necessary investments (to attract increased bus patronage) via funds raised from the stock market, commercial banks, etc

Since then "market forces" has seen the formation of three large groups which can - and it is alleged sometimes do - abuse their size within their own spheres of operations.

In theory all bus operations should now be commercial, ie: pay their way through farebox revenues, however local governments are allowed to "buy-in" services which they feel to be socially needed but the commercial companies are not providing. This costs extra money (ie: is an added burden on local council tax payers) when previously profits from the more profitable bus services would help cross-subsidies the socially necessary services. Nowadays those profits go towards stock market shareholder dividends.

http://www.garden.force9.co.uk/Buses01.htm#Con

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/programmes/ ... 628098.stm

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the only official i know up there is one Kevin Flanagan



Oh god, two of them. Image


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Oh god, two of them.


Possibly related through their sister :lol:

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