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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:36 pm 
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Your belief is founded on what for example?

What legal implications might exist in the future that do not exist now?

There are no legal implications other than those that already exist. A person denied a license could legally challenge that decision whether councillors like it or not? A person dissatisfied with the way a policy decision was reached has legal recourse through the courts. The exclusion elements contained in 12A of the 1972 act are discretionary and the first test of implementing these discretionary actions should be founded on "whether the public right to know" is greater than their right not to know?

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Does the public have the right to know of an individuals finances?

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Is that in the survey report? lol

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Is that in the survey report? lol

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Perhaps it is :shock:

maybe a person gave a set of accounts over a period of time to prove a point?

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Is that in the survey report? lol

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Perhaps it is :shock:

maybe a person gave a set of accounts over a period of time to prove a point?

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Are you deadly serious about this hypothetical point you injected, or r u just trying to wind us up? lol

Has it ever occurred to you why a licensing officer would intentionally write a report with the specific intention of making the content unavailable for public consumption? I wonder how hard it would be to actually achieve that, while at the same time making the report completely factual? lol

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Maybe The LO of Wigan wrote on three or four blank pieces of paper......the words

"This is a report"

And left it at that, he then proceeded to make it public exempt so no one could see what he wrote? And the daft councillors all said "hey this is a great report and one we dont have to read". lol

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Has it ever occurred to you why a licensing officer would intentionally write a report with the specific intention of making the content unavailable for public consumption?


You know that to be a fact?

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I wonder how hard it would be to actually achieve that, while at the same time making the report completely factual? lol


How can you question a report you havent seen?

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But surely there's nothing to stop the report being published without the commercially sensitive bits? I think that's often done in situations such as this?

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But surely there's nothing to stop the report being published without the commercially sensitive bits? I think that's often done in situations such as this?



This fiasco was orchestrated by L.O. Dearden from the outset.

From the very beginning he wouldn't say which company was doing the survey, there are no minutes of any tendering process, no minutes as to the cost of the survey, in fact there are no minutes period. lol

So it was always his agenda to keep this survey business hush hush, no matter what transpired?

You can guarantee that all this information will be made public after the Cabinet meeting later today. Then we'll see the truth of the matter.

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But surely there's nothing to stop the report being published without the commercially sensitive bits? I think that's often done in situations such as this?


your possibly right, but i seem to recall one LA being so good with the FOI they decided to not only publish minutes and background reports, but also copies of driving licenses, including name, address, signature, photo ID..

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But surely there's nothing to stop the report being published without the commercially sensitive bits? I think that's often done in situations such as this?


your possibly right,


There is no "possibly" about it, Dusty is right and you know it. Your not entirely stupid, even though at times you like to play the devils advocate and come out with some highly controversial statements which many would consider less than sound.

Any privileged information in this report could have been excluded from the version made available to the public and included in the version submitted to councillors and officers of the council.

I have it on good authority that there is nothing in the report to make it public exempt.

Your further observation as to why this report was kept secret is welcome.

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Maybe they will try and solve their iffy vehicle problem behind closed doors as well. [-X

http://www.wigantoday.net/ViewArticle2. ... ID=1786088

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We have 2 tests a year as well, i'll bet half of the Wigan failure's are stupid little things.
Ashtrays removed in the back = Failed (even a no smoking car)

Fluff or bits of cotton etc on the boot carpet = Failed

Postcode missing on door signs = Failed

The words "private hire only" missing off door signs = Failed (even though we have to have the council sticker on the rear doors which also says "private hire only" on it.

Less then 12 safety pins in first aid box = Failed
Less than 3 eye bandages in first aid box = Failed

The list goes on...............................................

Yes there are some sheds among Wigan PH, ive seen them, but not 1/3!


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Well said smiffyz!

A fail is a fail, be it a wheel falling off or magic tree on the rear view mirror.

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Bollox captain!

A fail isnt a fail when the council makes the rules unfair. we have to have stickers in the side rear window stating "warrington is an alchohol free zone" the stickers fall off dozens of times a week coz there crap, but you get caught with out one and your in the S**t

The council issued door sign's, the writing washes off after 6 months of grime sticking to it, but they want £10 for a new one. The company one's cost £2 and last years!


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Bollox captain!


Thank you :lol:

you miss my point

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smiffyz (geoff) wrote:
Bollox captain!

A fail isnt a fail when the council makes the rules unfair. we have to have stickers in the side rear window stating "warrington is an alchohol free zone" the stickers fall off dozens of times a week coz there crap, but you get caught with out one and your in the S**t


I must admit Geoff this sounds ludicrous and at first hand it would appear unreasonable. Are you positive this is a condition?

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