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So can I just clarify.

The world hasn't f***ing ended.


No you got it wrong, it has ended,[for me] we are filling up with taxi drivers, Greek, Iraqi ,Turks, and Poles who are starting to rip the job apart, overchargings is now the name of the game, Councils won't get involved as the race card will be held high, standards are gone, its now dog eat dog.


NTA T&G .........councils know best.

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The use of the word "taxi" is no longer used to define a Hackney Carriage as is required by Law. Ask someone if they think there is enough taxis and they will tell you they cannot get one when they want one, supporters of deregulation will lay the blame squarely at the number of Hackney Carriages where in reality at least 80% of their contact with what they perceive to be taxis actually involves Private Hire.

Loopholes in the law which allow this kind of activity must be closed.



I'm inclined to agree, but as I pointed out the other week the PH operation that you were involved with wasn't shy at liberally using the word 'taxi'?

Thus I suspect that Gateshead's Vicar of Bray is now firmly ensconsed in the HC camp, for the moment at least?

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JD wrote:
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Sussex wrote:
So can I just clarify.

The world hasn't f***ing ended.


No you got it wrong, it has ended,[for me] we are filling up with taxi drivers, Greek, Iraqi ,Turks, and Poles who are starting to rip the job apart, overchargings is now the name of the game, Councils won't get involved as the race card will be held high, standards are gone, its now dog eat dog.


NTA T&G .........councils know best.

Regards

JD


Last night I watched Monty Pythons The Life of Brian ................. I had to laugh during the meeting when the "what have the Romans done for us" scene could be compared to what I believe would be discussed at the TDO administration get together.

B. Lucky :D

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The use of the word "taxi" is no longer used to define a Hackney Carriage as is required by Law. Ask someone if they think there is enough taxis and they will tell you they cannot get one when they want one, supporters of deregulation will lay the blame squarely at the number of Hackney Carriages where in reality at least 80% of their contact with what they perceive to be taxis actually involves Private Hire.

Loopholes in the law which allow this kind of activity must be closed.



I'm inclined to agree, but as I pointed out the other week the PH operation that you were involved with wasn't shy at liberally using the word 'taxi'?

Thus I suspect that Gateshead's Vicar of Bray is now firmly ensconsed in the HC camp, for the moment at least?


To which PH operation are you referring.

All PH offices in Gateshead are called "taxis" and advertise as such, something which is possibly not just practiced in Gateshead.

For your information I have held HC licenses for 17 years, so your suggestion that I have "moved" my stance is inaccurate at best.

Just another attempt to in some way discredit an opinion to which you can present no real opposition.

B. Lucky :lol:

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So you're saying you held an HC license when you had a PH one?

And when you left the trade to sell fast tans?

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Just another attempt to in some way discredit an opinion to which you can present no real opposition.



Wot, you mean about blurring the distinction between HC and PH by use of the word taxi? I've been making that point for years.

However, I've been consistent, and I've always been HC.

And I'm referring to the PH operation that I think you were part of - it had a Volvo on it's website which I believe was designed by Alan Foster?

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Last night I watched Monty Pythons The Life of Brian ................. I had to laugh during the meeting when the "what have the Romans done for us" scene could be compared to what I believe would be discussed at the TDO administration get together.

B. Lucky :D


Is TDO supposed to do something for the National Taxi trade?

If TDO offers any free help to Hackney carriage or Private hire drivers then it does so without obligation. No one is under any obligation to accept information or help offered on this website.

I think that about sums up the obligations of TDO.

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Sussex i think youve got it right.so at our next branch meeting we will debate the issue.From what i here from MrT and the captain i think its about time their disgusting scam was put too bed, time to protect the workers i think Fourty grand for a plate one person owning more than one,non driving owners no rights for the drivers,who rent,i think the gravy train hit the buffers.
ORGANISE EDUCATE AGITATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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So you're saying you held an HC license when you had a PH one?

And when you left the trade to sell fast tans?


Oh yes, licensed to drive HC and PH in Gateshead and I'll tell you something else ............... a license to drive HC in another area.

Always kept me badges mate, wouldn't you.

B. Lucky :D

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Sussex i think youve got it right.so at our next branch meeting we will debate the issue.From what i here from MrT and the captain i think its about time their disgusting scam was put too bed, time to protect the workers i think Fourty grand for a plate one person owning more than one,non driving owners no rights for the drivers,who rent,i think the gravy train hit the buffers.
ORGANISE EDUCATE AGITATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So you'll be going after the PH operators then.

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When you say drivers surely you mean owners?

I suspect they are many more drivers happier than sadder.

Especially those that for many years have been told when and when not to work, and for that right have to give 50% of their earnings away to some fat lazy so and so.


This identifies where Mr Sussex has a real problem with the actual reality of the trade.


Mr Sussex clearly has the understanding that 70% of licensing authorities in England and Wales have removed quantity controls completely or have stated a future date when such controls will be lifted. Is that the reality to which you refer?

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The atual reality of the circumstances regarding whom owns plates in areas other than his own is what Sussex fails to properly and fully understand, and I would suggest that you are also struggling.

70% of councils may have deregulated numbers, I would not argue with that statistic.

Plate values may be high in some areas and a majority of plates may be owned by people who do not drive under the licence they own in those areas.

However I know that in the North East generally plateholders drive the vehicle their plate is attached to.

I would also add that the biggest exponants of buying plates or holding plates for profit in the North East are also PH operators.

B. Lucky :shock:

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The atual reality of the circumstances regarding whom owns plates in areas other than his own is what Sussex fails to properly and fully understand, and I would suggest that you are also struggling.


The actual reality is that no one owns a plate, you know that, Sussex knows that and I imagine almost everyone else knows that.

The arguments of who owns what have been well and truly dissected in the past, as you well know. In authorities that restrict licenses the only way of obtaining one is by buying a vehicle already licensed. Under the circumstances you own the vehicle but you don't own the license. In unrestricted authorities a person can license as many vehicles as they choose as long as the criteria is met. In unrestricted authorities statistics point to the obvious, which is vehicle owners tending to drive their own vehicle. Multiple owners in unrestricted authorities are a rarity, unless you have special circumstances where a successful radio company attracts drivers with its earning potential. Under those circumstances you may find the company owner supplying vehicles to drivers in order to cover the radio work.

Many restricted authorities attract multiple vehicle owners because those owners can exploit the restrictive practice you spoke of in another thread. Take away the restrictive practice and in many cases you take away the multiple owner, as you have no doubt observed.

Your reference to who owns plates etc is meaningless, everyone on this forum is aware of who owns what. There is no magical hidden formula or intricate knowledge to understanding the workings of the hackney carriage trade. The only difference in the car you drive and the one Sussex drives is the fact that you work in an authority that allows your vehicle and any other licensed H/C vehicle to pick up off the street and ply for public hire at Taxi ranks and his authority doesn't.

His knowledge of licensing is far greater than most, therefore the only difference between you and him, is that you operate in an unrestricted authority and he doesn't.

Why you have to complicate matters is beyond me but you certainly have a knack for it.

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Sussex i think youve got it right.

Thank you comrade. :lol: :lol:

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GA wrote:
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So you're saying you held an HC license when you had a PH one?

And when you left the trade to sell fast tans?


Oh yes, licensed to drive HC and PH in Gateshead and I'll tell you something else ............... a license to drive HC in another area.

Always kept me badges mate, wouldn't you.

B. Lucky :D


Yes, but the point under discussion related to vehicles rather than drivers.

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