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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 4:27 pm 
Sussex Man wrote:
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lets get this clear, I do not aggree with Tand G stance on the report, no way.

but I feel that thier bias and the sites bias against them is not helpfull.

news should be factual and opinions in the e-mails but that I have already said.


The thing is Mr Guest I'm still waiting for someone to point out the errors of the article.

It's no good having a pop at the article in the way it was written, without having a pop at the substance.

I mean do you earn £55,000 a year?


no, nowhere near and I know no one who does and I know lots of players.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 9:21 pm 
As the t&gwu help in keeping me from getting a station pass. it will surprise noone that im not their best mate.
The article is a bit mean though. Still it would be nice if the t&gwu could respond to some of the issues mentioned.
Like the money and the double talking.


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A bit mean maybe, maybe not. :?

But does anyone doubt the small clique of vested self interests, more concerned about plate value than f*** all else?

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Sussex Man wrote:
A bit mean maybe, maybe not. :?

But does anyone doubt the small clique of vested self interests, more concerned about plate value than f*** all else?


We are not the only ones subject to change, vicars are to get employment rights for the first time.

contracts are to say they must work sundays.

I am told but cannot get verification that a trade union is kicking up a fuss, not fair, aint essential vicars work sunday.

better be careful god might not be on thier side.


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God may not be on the side of the vicars, but I have no-doubt that he is on my side.

Oh happy days. :D :D :D :D :D

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 11:09 pm 
I find it very strange that the T&G are being berated because of what certain members percieve to be their response to the OFT report.

How can they, when the T&G National Liason Committee only met this week to discuss and debate the entire OFT report, it is only when you read the entire response that any opinion can be formed. So far we have only read their immediate re-actions to the main points raised within the report via a small article in CTN and various points raised by myself on here.

Superficial and Nieve, a wee bit like some members attitudes.

I have not seen the full response, as yet, however I have been told that the report has been found to be EXACTLY as the T&G first described it, with them reporting figures in one section then twisting others to more suit their purpose. A little like SM's posts ( :D only kiddin).

The OFT report reccomends changes, the T&G and I think the majority of people involved in the trade want changes, but this report doesn't contain them nor will it provide them and when I get a copy of the FULL response I will be happy to point out why.

With regard the Main Page "comment", if that is what the administration want then its their right to put it up their, my opinion is that opinions should be put forward within the forums of the site and only facts should be published as articles.

It does indicate the site is anti T&G, thats my opinion anyway.

B. Lucky :twisted:


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:13 am 
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I find it very strange that the T&G are being berated because of what certain members percieve to be their response to the OFT report.

How can they, when the T&G National Liason Committee only met this week to discuss and debate the entire OFT report, it is only when you read the entire response that any opinion can be formed. So far we have only read their immediate re-actions to the main points raised within the report via a small article in CTN and various points raised by myself on here.

Superficial and Nieve, a wee bit like some members attitudes.

I have not seen the full response, as yet, however I have been told that the report has been found to be EXACTLY as the T&G first described it, with them reporting figures in one section then twisting others to more suit their purpose. A little like SM's posts ( :D only kiddin).

The OFT report reccomends changes, the T&G and I think the majority of people involved in the trade want changes, but this report doesn't contain them nor will it provide them and when I get a copy of the FULL response I will be happy to point out why.

With regard the Main Page "comment", if that is what the administration want then its their right to put it up their, my opinion is that opinions should be put forward within the forums of the site and only facts should be published as articles.

It does indicate the site is anti T&G, thats my opinion anyway.

B. Lucky :twisted:



I am happy to reccord that (for once) I aggree with you totaly

happy new year.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:36 am 
"People demand freedom of speach as compensation for the freedom of thought, which they seldom use"

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Mick wrote:
I find it very strange that the T&G are being berated because of what certain members percieve to be their response to the OFT report.

How can they, when the T&G National Liason Committee only met this week to discuss and debate the entire OFT report, it is only when you read the entire response that any opinion can be formed. So far we have only read their immediate re-actions to the main points raised within the report via a small article in CTN and various points raised by myself on here.


Have I missed something here?

Isn't the T&G's OFT report submission, the one on TDO that the article quoted?

These are not small quotes, it's the whole report.

Or are you saying it wasn't authorized by the T&G, and is thus invalid?

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I agree with sussex here, I thought that the T&G response had to be in to the government by 9th December 2003, as they were a stakeholder, prior to the consultation.

Take the point regarding freedom of speech, but what about freedom to choose your occupation, freedom to own a taxi without having to pay through the nose for someones license.

There are people in this country who have licenses worth thousands of pounds, yet they have never driven a cab in their life, they now want the national bodies to defend that?


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Take the point regarding freedom of speech, but what about freedom to choose your occupation, freedom to own a taxi without having to pay through the nose for someones license.

There are people in this country who have licenses worth thousands of pounds, yet they have never driven a cab in their life, they now want the national bodies to defend that?


At last, I have found my long lost twin brother. :wink:

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There are people in this country who have licenses worth thousands of pounds, yet they have never driven a cab in their life, they now want the national bodies to defend that?


Whatever happens in the next few months, the old system will never be the same.

If the minister ignores the OFT study and keeps to the status quo, then clearly the upheaval for the existing HC trade will not be that great.

But even then, I can't see how the existing un-met survey system will stand up in the courts. Thus I can see a complete change in surveys, which perhaps may lead to de-limitation by the back door.

However if the minister says that the OFT have hit the nail on the head, and sec 16 is repealed :D , then there will be a shed load of new HC drivers out there looking to be represented at a national level.

To my last breath, I will be telling those boys and girls how one union in particular, went out of their way in trying to keep them second class.

I might not have the dick of an elephant, but I have the memory of one.

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Dear Mr Quotable,
Kierkegaard also espoused that life can only be fully lived when we accepted that in the main it was empty and tenuous. If we adopt that philosophy the majority of posts would have to be deleted. I prefer Marx, Groucho not Karl, and I paraphrase...."any forum that would have me as a member I do not want to belong to".. :wink:
People come on here because up to date it has been mostly a rational exchange of views. Opinions differ but that is the beauty of debate.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 1:07 am 
sussex, but i drive a shed at the moment my prop wont buy me a new one :D don't whip me masser :(

& mrs sussex reckons your right bud! lmao

national representation, the thing has become a joke


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national representation, the thing has become a joke


But surely it's up to all of us to try and make it no-longer a joke.

I feel though we will have to wait a year or two, until the current situation is past us.

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