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Mr Casey makes the point that because there are [plateless] drivers who are members of associations affiliated to the National Taxi Association, then to that extent they are represented. He is absolutely correct, but we weren’t just talking about nominal membership; our point regarded whose substantive interests these organisations represent and to this end we have pointed out that since the cornerstone of the NTA’s (and T&G’s) policies is restriction of taxi numbers then to that extent they primarily represent vehicle proprietors, with drivers playing second fiddle.
No but you didnt say that did you.
Only about a million times.
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Our perspective on this is partly due to the fact that drivers pay inflated rentals in order that they can work in areas that restrict taxi numbers.
No your perspective is to give the impression people pay inflated rentals
Well I'm not surprised that you haven't worked it out yet if you think plate premiums are a figment of people's imaginations.
You have to walk before you start running
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However, to the extent that Mr Casey denies this fact then his stance on the representation issue is not surprising.
Why? because I'm right?
Well you cite the price of renting a car from a car rental company and compare that to taxi rentals in restrsicted to prove the point that the taxi rental is reasonable, but you also say that the taxi rental in Carlisle is less than the car rental, thus since Carlisle is unrestricted this proves absolutely bog all!
All that this proves is that the car rental is inflated for reasons other than restricted numbers. Perhaps the most obvious reason is that it's a short term hire?
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But his attitude seems rather bizarre – why would anyone pay £10,000 for a vehicle and £50,000 for a plate if they intended to rent both out for what the vehicle itself could fetch in an unrestricted area?
I dont know, I have never spent £50K on a plate.
Well if you don't want to comment on that because of lack of knowledge then why comment on rentals etc in areas with £50k plates?
But this comment reveals that you don't really know what's going on at all, or only know what's going on when it suits you
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However, where plate sales are not allowed rental markets for plates flourish, and in Dundee a council report stated that plates were being rented for thousands pf pounds per year, with the licensing fee paid to the council being only a fraction of this.
Is a vehicle attached to the plate?
No, but surely it's self-evident that if it was then the car rental would be greater than without the plate?
Going back to the car rental analogy, if you denied that a trailer rental was £50 a week you wouldn't ask if it was attached to a car?
It's obvious that if the trailer was attached to a car then the car rental would be higher than the car on its own.
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Surely even Mr Casey would regard income in excess of one thousand per cent of the related expenditure as “inflated”, and of course this is due pure and simply to restricted license numbers.
No I'd regard income above cost as profit.
Well cost and expenditure are the same surely, so you're agreeing?
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For example, in Brighton a saloon to be used as a private hire vehicle could quite easily be leased from a specialist trade supplier, plated, insured and maintained for around £100 per week.
Is that with a radio?
Come on, give me some credit, do you think I'd cite a rental without finding out if a radio was included if I'd outlined all the other expenses theat were?
That's the rental I was given without radio.
But even if the rental was wrong and it did inclued a radio, that would still mean £200 without the radio, as compared to the £100 for a maintained and insured car, thus £100 for the plate?
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However, try renting a similar vehicle on a hackney plate and you’re looking at perhaps up to £300.
That is presumably on the road and working?
Err, I think that's what I said?
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The fact is that plates are bought to boost revenue,
Radios are rented to boost revenue
Yes, but it wasn't radios I was talking about, so stop changing the subject
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Mr Casey also takes issue with the use of the word “cartel” to describe restricted taxi numbers policies in that “an industrial combination for the purpose of regulating prices, output etc” doesn’t apply because local authorities set prices/fares. Err, what about “output”, which is basically another term for supply, which in the trade means taxi numbers? Perhaps a more straightforward definition of cartel would have made things more obvious – how about “an agreement to restrict competition”? Even the trade’s flat-earthers couldn’t disagree with this, surely?
No I take issue with the expression used in the context you state it.
In what context?
You provided a definition of cartel which you thought didn't fit the taxi scenario, but it did, so what's wrong with that?
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Mr Casey also seems to think that we look down our noses at people because we don’t credit them with enough intelligence. However, in assuming that people are naïve enough to afford this kind of stuff much credence, surely it’s Mr Casey that thinks we’re all fools?
I stated
the terms and phrases used are purely used to provoke people into thinking taxi proprietors in regulated areas are complete and utter bar-stewards,No, what you actually said was:
I tend to believe drivers are more intelligent than either this particular website or the National Bodies give them credit for, to think otherwise is to look down your nose at people
But since you've taken the best part of a year to come up with a response then I'm not surprised that you've forgotten what your wrote
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