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Feel free mate ............ our council don't normlly take kindly to be told they are wrong from people outside the borough but they may take kindly to you.

I think though, the problem you will have is that agreement has been reached that Policies need to be changed to provide best service and the changes they intend to make have been their own undertaking. We, as a trade, have been involved in the consultation and are in general agreement of 34 of the 36 proposals.

I'd say let me know what happens .....................but I'd find out anyway

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

My offer was tongue in cheek, I don't want to be accused of upsetting the already overturned apple cart in Gateshead.

JD

So you would then agree that not all vehicles should be Fiat Doblo's ........ because if drivers are given the choice that is the cheapest vehicle available. That is the choice that loads of drivers made up here when they could no longer afford LTI, E7, Eurocab, Jubillee etc etc ............ well I say choose but I suppose these were the ONLY vehicles they could afford.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

How do you think the apple cart, as you put it, has been overturned.

Could it be that you think that standards come after choice.

At least we work with our council and get things done, as apposed to others who fight with their council and get FA.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

I was thinking of the reference you made a few years ago when you said Gateshead had messed up with quality controls and they got it all wrong.

I asked a question regarding earnings and the removal of quantity controls. Your response was as follows.

Well for what it's worth I think it depends on how its done, "if its done like Gateshead no one will earn anything", but if quality is in-built then we should all be better off and customers will always have a taxi when and where they need it.

That's what I meant about the apple cart already being overturned. It's like trying to put the genie back in the bottle or closing the barn door after the horse has bolted? If Gateshead had got it right in the first place you wouldn't be struggling now to try and retrieve the situation. I don't try and proportion blame but you obvioulsy blame someone and I suppose that would be the council but its the same old soundbyte councillors know best? You say you work with the council and get thinks done, well it would appear that in this instance the collaboration between the council and the taxi trade was out of step?

JD

The problem is that quality was not "in-built".

Councils who just deregulate without forming policies which maintain a high standard are facing standards dropping through the floor.

The problem is that some areas councils DO NOT properly consider the possible implications and that is why I refer to what you call derestriction as deregulation.

So we should ask ourselves WHY.

Could it be the inept report by the OFT.

Could it be the bombardment of literature passed on by people who wish to impose their will on areas other than their own.

Could it be the advice from government was unclear, offering opposing advice.

Could it be that people were encouraged to legally challenge a decision made by a council because it didn't suit them.

Could it be that the public have absolutely no idea what the difference between a HC and a PH vehicle is.

Could it be that a large proportion of PH drivers illegally ply for hire, and make their vehicles look like HC.

Could it be that PH operations are allowed to call themselves "TAXIS" if they have a single HC on their fleet.



All we did JD was point out that clear definitions needed to be made, all of the above things could be remedied through effective manageable policies ............. but you have already stated that you don't trust the councils to make a decision UNLESS they decide to adopt as policy what you believe to be right and in order to deliver your personal requirements you only add to the confusion, which makes the correct decision for the requirements of the public harder to attain.


B. Lucky

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"Here's a simple solution. If you don't want to pay more for a premium service then wait in the queue, problem solved".
Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

That's what I meant about the apple cart already being overturned. It's like trying to put the genie back in the bottle or closing the barn door after the horse has bolted? If Gateshead had got it right in the first place you wouldn't be struggling now to try and retrieve the situation. I don't try and proportion blame but you obvioulsy blame someone and I suppose that would be the council but its the same old soundbyte councillors know best? You say you work with the council and get thinks done, well it would appear that in this instance the collaboration between the council and the taxi trade was out of step?

JD.. The thing about life they say, is that no two days are the same, and also we learn from our mistakes, it is obvious from reading GA's posts that he has learnt, and that his views and methods have changed, So therefore referring to statements from the past are irrelevant, what I think today, may not be the same in 12 months' time something may have changed, and the person that is not capable of change is wasted..

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

Strange that I have the same views about this trade now, as I did when I started off all those years ago.

Standards good, restrictions bad.

Screwing drivers bad, looking after drivers good.

Enforcement good, turning a blind eye bad.

Maybe it just me.

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Its maybe your reluctance to learn that you find yourself in the same position as when you first started and noticed things that infuriated you.

The fact remains that those things still infuriate you because you haven't learned HOW to change ................. because you are incapable of change, and that is why you have been unable to convince anyone with any authority that your concerns need addressing.

I would go on, but you think you know best.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

So does that mean everything that I and everyone else has ever said about quality controls is correct? Including the guys in Scotland? How long wil it be before the next trade association realises that deregulation of numbers without strict quality controls especially on drivers can lead to the type of situation you have in Gateshead?

The message finally got through in Gateshead but how long did it take?

JD

Are you extracing the urine JD.

Or are you trying to jump on Gatesheads bandwagon .................. cause your not alone if you are.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

No JD it doesn't mean you're right, what it means as far as the trade is concerned, is that different areas are working in different time zones, Manchester works on a controlled growth policy why, d'you think possibly it had the benefit of seeing the mess Liverpool made and learn from Liverpool's mistake, national associations in the past have been very self centred, I'm sure of that, and unions to, but so have local council licensing officers making sure they have a easy life and playing the private hire and cab trade against each other, it certainly doesn't help that certain people write books regarding law that licensing officers then used as the Bible, which then gets shown to be wrong in a court of law.

we have all worked in our own small areas in other words our own world's, the internet has opened it all up, people are starting to understand that what works in one area is not necessarily the same somewhere else, you express yourself on your views about the freedom of choice, bought choice cannot have total freedom, otherwise we live in the world chaos....

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

[quote="Sussex"]Strange that I have the same views about this trade now, as I did when I started off all those years ago.

Standards good, restrictions bad.

Screwing drivers bad, looking after drivers good.

Enforcement good, turning a blind eye bad.

Maybe it just me. [/quote

and the person that is not capable of change is wasted..

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

Standards Good--- Oversupply bad .
screwing drivers bad---- drivers screwing owners bad.
enforcement Good---- more enforcement better..

Yes it's just you.

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

lol that does surprise me?



Very interesting, what time zones are Sefton, Birmingham and Peterborough in?



Now let me see, you ask me, why do I think Manchester works on a controlled growth policy? You imply you know the answer to that question and that I don't? I suggest it is you who doesn't know the answer to that question but you may carry on and tell me how the policy came about. It should make interesting reading.



It had nothing whatsoever to do with events in Liverpool or anywhere else for that matter, so that's one theory sunk without trace, do you have another?



I take it you mean self-centred in the context of wanting plates restricted? I think that would also apply to local associations even more so than national organisations but Manchester would have certainly fell into the category.



How do LO's ensure they have an easy life? And do LO's in restricted areas use the same easy life formula as those in unrestricted areas?



Is this a restricted authority tactic? Without specifics I don't understand what you're alluding to?



You can hardly blame Jim Button for writing his book on licensing law. If blame is to be proportioned perhaps it should lie in the failure of licensing officers to interpret the law as it stands? Jim Buttons book is only a guidance and one mans opinion of the relevance of licensing law. Unfortunately for Jim he made the fatal error of interpreting the law incorrectly and no doubt he has suffered some humiliation over that but I suspect overall the book has been of assistance to many licensing officers.


Regards

JD