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One assumes bullchit is intentional, but some poeple may confuse fact with fiction because they know no better? I wouldn't say everyone who gets their facts wrong does so intentionally, after all the captain assumed the Taxi trade in Peterborough were for retaining the turning circle when in fact the majority are against it, according to the petition put forward by the applicant.

No one is perfect but once a stated fact is proved to be wrong most people will hold their hand up to their genuine mistake. On the other hand some people will never accept the facts even though they have them spelt out?

JD

Then working in the cab trade must drive you round the twist, you can be told for a fact 10 different versions of the same thing by 10 different people, and none of them got it right.

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

I personally do not see the problem with having the E7, But then Sefton has a mixed fleet, in my half of Sefton it is all wheelchair accessible vehicles, and if somebody were to put a saloon on they would make no money,

I can understand the council wanting to keep the Hackney fleet all LTI, if say they have had problems in the past with the public being confused with hackney and private hire,( I do not know if they had), but I can remember one council a number of years ago insisting that all of the Hackney's go LTI to make a clear distinction , they may not want to let other wheelchair accessible vehicles in, they may think by letting E7 in it will leave them open for challenge on other vehicles..... just a thought.....

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

I appreciate that but you can't really restrict choice just because someone want a vehicle to be a certain shape? I'm not a fan of the E7 but if there was no LTI, what would we have? In fact what do we have in the majority of authorities?

Regards

JD

But is it a sufficient argument to say just because a cab driver likes a particular vehicle that vehicle should automatically be licensed?

regards

CC

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George Carlin

Well the majority of vehicles licensed as cabs in this country not including london, are saloon vehicles and it is the owners choice what type of saloon vehicle they license? Therefore driver choice is the only game in town in many authorities.

Some councils who have started to think in terms of the DDA are incorporating a WAV policy such as Bradford but even then in most of these authorities drivers have not been restricted to one particular shape, or turning circle functionality?

Your point is too narrow because it has the same meaning for any type of vehicle, including LTI. What you mean is this......

Is the argument sufficient to say that just because a driver likes a vehicle that does not conform to a turning circle requirement of 25ft, should that vehicle automatically obtain a license?

In case you have forgot, the issue has never been about licensing a particular make of vehicle, the issue has always been about the outdated turning circle requirement, which I might add only exists in a minute number of authorities? The turning circle requirement is not the norm, in fact it is the complete opposite.

Regards

JD

But the DDA could be considered as a crock of you know what.

The evidence from various areas and indeed reports is that a 100% WAV fleet will and does discriminate against those with other disabilities.

If it is accepted that a 100% WAV fleet is discriminatory against some in society then the government thinking for the past 12 years has been massively flawed.

To then go down the route of a percentage of the fleet being WAV accessable is perhaps a sound line of thinking, but will need a key decision being made, namely, which poor mug has to buy the WAV?

regards

CC

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George Carlin

That is precisely why I steered clear of mentioning 100% WAV fleets. I suggested that only "some" councils had started to think in terms of the DDA and are incorporating a "WAV policy". There are many others who have decided to wait and to see what the Government requires in terms of wav's? Many see this as the most sensible policy.

As per usual the Government is prevaricating on making a decision and instead is leaving it up to local authorities to decide.

The DDA however is a separate item and does not fit into the equation of whether or not a turning circle is required in order to license a vehicle?

Regards

JD

By 100% WAV fleets I take it you mean like cities such as Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Glasgow, London & Edinburgh clearly discriminating against the ambient disabled

I take your point about a wait and see policy, in effect we have had the government offering advice, but nothing in terms of legislation.

On the issue of the turning circle, I think its a reasonable requirement

regards

CC

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George Carlin

By this I take it you mean vehicles, firstly the fact is we do have LTI vehicles which the last government invested money into, the cab trade is caught up in the middle as far as the Disability Act, different areas have historically used different vehicles, when the 1976 Act came into being it caused quite a few problems, ie for example a private hire vehicle must not resemble a Hackney, easy to deal with if at the time and that particular councils Hackney's were all LTI fx3 fx4 and then private hire could all be saloons, but then if at that time the Hackney's where saloon vehicles and the private hire where saloon vehicles then you could understand if they chose to implement a policy of colour I personally think that a council if it has a system that is working is best sticking to it,

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!