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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:01 pm 
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PACE and the Codes of Practice attached to it relate to all manner of things that only the Police can do, e.g. arrest, detain, search, take samples and Identification Procedure etc.

However a number of agencies also investigate allegations that a criminal offence has taken place


Are you sugesting a criminal offence took place in this instance? And are you sugesting that all license holders, "have" to submit themselves to an interview under the conditions of pace, when invited to do so by a local council?

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O.B thank you for info.

JD In my case I was told that it was a prosecution offence - "refusing to pick up off the street".

Tigger I could only have a sol at my own expense, so it is not a "right" down here.

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Cabby John the normal drivel i expect from your neck of the woods, just one point Solicitors pay US to do this sort of work.
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I see your busy making friends again Terry? :D

Whose turn is it this week? :wink:


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GMB I never asked for your sympathy and as it was I handled the situation myself, as I stated I knew that I was not guilty of any offence and if I was I would have known when to call for back up. You may think you are the eternal fountain of knowledge but you should give credit to those who do not feel that they need the back up of inept Unions, the situation was handled and as I said it is being followed up.

You really need to get a life, ( not as a Trade Unionist though, ) perhaps the people of Wales see through you, as you have obviously failed to rally or convey good people skills across to them. I cannot imagine that your Union or any other will be sending in solicitor every 5 mins for drivers all over the country, for them just to sort out something that I as a lay man was able to do for myself, as your union would be bankrupt in next to no time with the Sol costs involved.

You go around insulting individuals in general, and the people of Wales, who over the years have probably had more industrial strife than most. I wonder if you could tell us all, where were the Unions when Industry was, and still is being decimated. Jobs even today are being uprooted to other parts of the world, and what do the Unions do - maybe get them a reasonable severance package and then claim they have done a good job - But! the jobs have still gone

That is really not on, you really do need to brush up on your people skills, it seems to me as if you are stuck in a time warp and that you think banging your fist up and down and spouting off vitriolic that you do not have is going to do the job. As I said perhaps people down here have seen through you, we do need Unions with educated leaders, people we can look up to, people that will guide us back to an even balance between employment & employers, but as yet I have not seen that.



I must say, this chap speaks a lot of sense Terry.

Perhaps if you changed your tact to that of a more receptive one, instead of battling with everyone, your membership numbers could grow?

Who knows?


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Cabby John the normal drivel i expect from your neck of the woods, just one point Solicitors pay US to do this sort of work.
DECISIONS ARE TAKEN BY THOSE THAT TURN UP!


As I said we need educated leadership - do not waste your time applying.

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Cabby John the normal drivel i expect from your neck of the woods, just one point Solicitors pay US to do this sort of work.
DECISIONS ARE TAKEN BY THOSE THAT TURN UP!


As I said we need educated leadership - do not waste your time applying.




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Ah the VESTED interest attacking unions again MrT you are a GROSS exploiter who is extremely vulnerable to unions, you fool no-one!
You might have noticed i cant tolerate GROVELLERS hence my LOVE affair with KINNOCKIO land.Fact Welsh miners led the retreat in their dispute, on one occasion took a food convoy down there from Fleet St, bought it back they didnt deserve it tossers.Fact the most militant miners the KENT miners absolutely BRILLIANT! In my view anyone who stands for what this guy did is a MUG, all the members ive spoken to today agree with me. it aint rocket science, it takes GUTS and COMMON sense.
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Ah the VESTED interest attacking unions again MrT you are a GROSS exploiter who is extremely vulnerable to unions, you fool no-one!
You might have noticed i cant tolerate GROVELLERS hence my LOVE affair with KINNOCKIO land.Fact Welsh miners led the retreat in their dispute, on one occasion took a food convoy down there from Fleet St, bought it back they didnt deserve it tossers.Fact the most militant miners the KENT miners absolutely BRILLIANT! In my view anyone who stands for what this guy did is a MUG, all the members ive spoken to today agree with me. it aint rocket science, it takes GUTS and COMMON sense.
DECISIONS ARE TAKEN BY THOSE WHO TURN UP!


The Welsh miners were out for a year and probably seen the writing on the wall well before the rest. I will take nothing away from the Kent miners, but where did it get them? Kinnock is not liked down here as much as anywhere, just another one who stuck his snout in the trough. There was only one reason why the miners lost the strike, and that was Scargill himself not the Welsh miners.

"I will bring down this government Scargill" was the equivilent of Gerald Ratner, both shot themselves in the foot whilst riding around in their Jags and the workers were left with nothing.

A foolish trade union leader led to the demise of a once proud union - another ranter and raver - recognise any similarities.

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Jesus Christ I thought I had heard it all but the performance of some people on this site beggers belief'

To start with the fact that cabbie John didn't get advised of either what accusations had been made against him by who, relating to what incident that supposedly happened where and when, coupled with the failure to advise of the right of representation would be regarded as a gross perversion of natural justice. The fact that the authorities think they have a right to treat people like this is beyond belief.

I'm only a shop steward and I know that much, that the service you are provided with by the proffessional drivers branch in such circumstances i.e. a solicitor means that a union member in such a situation who notified the union of such a problem, would absolutly wipe the floor with these imbeciles.

The only thing that is more shocking John is that you put up with this crap. Look mate I know you might have the hump with our branch secretary but do you know how frustrating it is for decent trade unionists to see ordinary working people knocked about like this when we know full well that the authorities have no right whatsoever to treat you like this.

Another thing what are you going on about having someone in the union to look up to. Just stand up. You will then realize that all of us, including the authorities, who quite frankly abused you, are the same sort of size. In fact you might find that those who hide behind their jobs like these degenerates are very small people indeed.

If we were all in the union, if we all had trained up stewards in our workplaces, if we very puclically knocked seven bells out of those who treat ordinary working people like this it would cease.

If we want proper tarriffs that enable us to make a decent living in reasonable time, if we want to be treated properly all we have to do is get off of ouir knees, organise and start acting with a bit of common sense and self respect.


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south london cab wrote:
Jesus Christ I thought I had heard it all but the performance of some people on this site beggers belief


I agree.

It gets better by the hour. :wink:


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south london cab wrote:
Jesus Christ I thought I had heard it all but the performance of some people on this site beggers belief'

To start with the fact that cabbie John didn't get advised of either what accusations had been made against him by who, relating to what incident that supposedly happened where and when, coupled with the failure to advise of the right of representation would be regarded as a gross perversion of natural justice. The fact that the authorities think they have a right to treat people like this is beyond belief.

I'm only a shop steward and I know that much, that the service you are provided with by the proffessional drivers branch in such circumstances i.e. a solicitor means that a union member in such a situation who notified the union of such a problem, would absolutly wipe the floor with these imbeciles.



The only thing that is more shocking John is that you put up with this crap. Look mate I know you might have the hump with our branch secretary but do you know how frustrating it is for decent trade unionists to see ordinary working people knocked about like this when we know full well that the authorities have no right whatsoever to treat you like this.

Another thing what are you going on about having someone in the union to look up to. Just stand up. You will then realize that all of us, including the authorities, who quite frankly abused you, are the same sort of size. In fact you might find that those who hide behind their jobs like these degenerates are very small people indeed.

If we were all in the union, if we all had trained up stewards in our workplaces, if we very puclically knocked seven bells out of those who treat ordinary working people like this it would cease.

If we want proper tarriffs that enable us to make a decent living in reasonable time, if we want to be treated properly all we have to do is get off of ouir knees, organise and start acting with a bit of common sense and self respect.


SLC I do not have a problem with trade unions as such, or for that matter representing myself to a point. I am for much of what you have written, but we have one trade union representative on here who shows no respect for others or their views.

To get respect you have to earn it - I can imagine when he walks into a room to negotiate on behalf of the membership, that he has got the backs of the other side of the table up already - one nil to them. That is not what it is about.

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I'll tell you this John you and some others might not like his style but if your in sh*t street you couldn't hope for better back up.

It's all about horses for courses and the more of us that are in the union combining our talents and helping one another out the sooner the spiv's who infest out industry be they gutless burocrats or unscrupulous chisling gangsters will be driven out.

It really is down to us the drivers, not just joining the union but getting active taking up stewards positions, health and safety representatives jobs and the position of Union Learning reps who help other union members get basic skills training. The union arranges training so as we learn how to do it effectivly Can you imagine what we could do if enough of us decided to stand up and be counted.

Join up John get active don't ever let thes b*stards take the p*ss again


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cabby john wrote:
south london cab wrote:
Jesus Christ I thought I had heard it all but the performance of some people on this site beggers belief'

To start with the fact that cabbie John didn't get advised of either what accusations had been made against him by who, relating to what incident that supposedly happened where and when, coupled with the failure to advise of the right of representation would be regarded as a gross perversion of natural justice. The fact that the authorities think they have a right to treat people like this is beyond belief.

I'm only a shop steward and I know that much, that the service you are provided with by the proffessional drivers branch in such circumstances i.e. a solicitor means that a union member in such a situation who notified the union of such a problem, would absolutly wipe the floor with these imbeciles.



The only thing that is more shocking John is that you put up with this crap. Look mate I know you might have the hump with our branch secretary but do you know how frustrating it is for decent trade unionists to see ordinary working people knocked about like this when we know full well that the authorities have no right whatsoever to treat you like this.

Another thing what are you going on about having someone in the union to look up to. Just stand up. You will then realize that all of us, including the authorities, who quite frankly abused you, are the same sort of size. In fact you might find that those who hide behind their jobs like these degenerates are very small people indeed.

If we were all in the union, if we all had trained up stewards in our workplaces, if we very puclically knocked seven bells out of those who treat ordinary working people like this it would cease.

If we want proper tarriffs that enable us to make a decent living in reasonable time, if we want to be treated properly all we have to do is get off of ouir knees, organise and start acting with a bit of common sense and self respect.


SLC I do not have a problem with trade unions as such, or for that matter representing myself to a point. I am for much of what you have written, but we have one trade union representative on here who shows no respect for others or their views.

To get respect you have to earn it - I can imagine when he walks into a room to negotiate on behalf of the membership, that he has got the backs of the other side of the table up already - one nil to them. That is not what it is about.


John.. it is absolutely amazing when somebody who knows sweet FA about the Taxi Trade gives advice, and even more amusing when the naive members listen to them.. I have a strong feeling that like myself you prefer to make your own mistakes and have enough commonsense to lead you out of any situation you might find yourself in.... :wink:

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cabby john wrote:
south london cab wrote:
Jesus Christ I thought I had heard it all but the performance of some people on this site beggers belief'

To start with the fact that cabbie John didn't get advised of either what accusations had been made against him by who, relating to what incident that supposedly happened where and when, coupled with the failure to advise of the right of representation would be regarded as a gross perversion of natural justice. The fact that the authorities think they have a right to treat people like this is beyond belief.

I'm only a shop steward and I know that much, that the service you are provided with by the proffessional drivers branch in such circumstances i.e. a solicitor means that a union member in such a situation who notified the union of such a problem, would absolutly wipe the floor with these imbeciles.



The only thing that is more shocking John is that you put up with this crap. Look mate I know you might have the hump with our branch secretary but do you know how frustrating it is for decent trade unionists to see ordinary working people knocked about like this when we know full well that the authorities have no right whatsoever to treat you like this.

Another thing what are you going on about having someone in the union to look up to. Just stand up. You will then realize that all of us, including the authorities, who quite frankly abused you, are the same sort of size. In fact you might find that those who hide behind their jobs like these degenerates are very small people indeed.

If we were all in the union, if we all had trained up stewards in our workplaces, if we very puclically knocked seven bells out of those who treat ordinary working people like this it would cease.

If we want proper tarriffs that enable us to make a decent living in reasonable time, if we want to be treated properly all we have to do is get off of ouir knees, organise and start acting with a bit of common sense and self respect.


SLC I do not have a problem with trade unions as such, or for that matter representing myself to a point. I am for much of what you have written, but we have one trade union representative on here who shows no respect for others or their views.

To get respect you have to earn it - I can imagine when he walks into a room to negotiate on behalf of the membership, that he has got the backs of the other side of the table up already - one nil to them. That is not what it is about.


John.. it is absolutely amazing when somebody who knows sweet FA about the Taxi Trade gives advice, and even more amusing when the naive members listen to them.. I have a strong feeling that like myself you prefer to make your own mistakes and have enough commonsense to lead you out of any situation you might find yourself in.... :wink:


Cabby John, I have attended Council meetings with GMB and would describe him as a class act. He was smart, proffessional and knowledgeable, Please don't become another brain washed TDO victim.

Mr T, not satisfied with insulting our Branch Sec on a regular basis, your now insulting all PDGMB members by calling us naive. The naive people in this trade are the people who think individualism is better than unity. I have been working in the Brighton cab trade for 23 years and have just seen GMB give 175 drivers a voice in their trade for the 1st time ever. Not bad for someone who apparently knows jack about the cab trade. Perhaps thats what has you and your kind concerned. As I see it the more drivers who can see the advantage of working under the GMB umbrella and gaining representation within their LA, the better.
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