Taxi Driver Online

brightonbreezy,
If you think that I was insulting your branch secretary you are mistaken, by my standards I was beening generous, if it has taken you 23 years to achieve representation, then I was wrong in saying naive, it should have been stupid, I think you missed something out when you said you represent 175 drivers, surely you should have added the words whether they like it or not . and when I refer to taxis I mean hackney carriages not private hire.

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

Negotiation overcomes confrontation.

We need to work WITH our local authorities to effect positive change.

The "them and us" brigade achieve little more than a sore throat.

I have been there, I have sought a fight to fight, when in reality what proved to be more effective was clear and honest dialogue.

I have stood alone, I have stood with a Union, I have stood with the NTA ............. results have come through the trade organisation who's only interest is within members of our trade.

Changes take time, OUR customers should be OUR priority.

Forums such as these are packed full of information and contact with those who will gladly help you without expecting any financial remuneration .................. use them wisely and you will achieve the goals you set yourself.

Persistence beats resistance.

B. Lucky

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"Here's a simple solution. If you don't want to pay more for a premium service then wait in the queue, problem solved".
Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Cabby John, I have attended Council meetings with GMB and would describe him as a class act. He was smart, proffessional and knowledgeable, Please don't become another brain washed TDO victim.

I think I have a mind of my own and make my own decisions, so being brainwashed will not come into it. Your Branch Sec may impress you, but then lets himself down by getting personal and aggressive with people that he does not know, so why does he do it? it is most certainly not enhancing him in his position.

His attitude to me comes across that he has an inability to argue sensibly with every day taxi drivers and that is a sign of weakness. I would not want a person like that representing me in front of Local Authorities, and I would hope that the person concerned would be striving to put on a strong professional front, and not be someone who was likely to lose their cool and let it become personal.

If as you say he can act in a professional manner then it would be nice to see it happen on this forum

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GA The above was one of the reasons why I joined this forum, to seek info when needed, and if I could contribute anything - then that would done. I am not about slagging people off or getting personal, but by the same token if that is the case then it is not going to be a one way traffic.

The point that you made re working with Local Authorities is option one, kicking down doors and banging the negotiation table never made any friends. As I said in an earlier post, there needs to be a balance between employers and employees, and that is the part you have to get around.

Unfortunately for years one side or the other always seeks to take the high ground - now that is the conundrum.

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if you cannot be yourself, then who can you be.

Each to their own, I have a degree of sympathy with what cabby john has posted above, however, as I havent either spoken with Terry or met the guy, I dont think its quite right to totally condemn him.

Whether you agree with him or not, he has brought colour to the site, made people infuriated and stirred emotion.

Going back to the thread, I recall Sussex mentioning he would have perhaps taken a solicitor if he were in a similar position, all Terry did (in his own style of a maniac) was point out in the harshest possible way, that solicitors are available to union members.

CC

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

JD wrote - Are you sugesting a criminal offence took place in this instance? And are you sugesting that all license holders, "have" to submit themselves to an interview under the conditions of pace, when invited to do so by a local council?

JD I don't believe that I said licence holders have to submit themselves to an interview. I just pointed out the fact that if there is sufficient evidence tp prosecute and the licence holder has been cauitioned and choses not to be interviewed or just listens to the questions put to him, he could not put up any explanation if the matter went to court, that's all.

Oldbloke

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oldbloke

This is the meat in the sandwich.

Firstly we are not employees of the council ............... they issue the licenses we operate under and enforce the attached regulations.

If there is an allegation that the regulations have been broken they have to have the power to properly investigate in order to take further action if required.

Allegations made to councils are from the public, and the council is in place to protect the public. So the need for PACE interviews is absolutely correct and should be supported.

It is my understanding that before the PACE interview takes place the person should be made aware of the allegation made and be offered the opportunity to consult with a solicitor, and have one present when the interview takes place.

I think that the incident in question was not handled correctly, but I think that if handled correctly PACE interviews should be supported.

B. Lucky

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"Here's a simple solution. If you don't want to pay more for a premium service then wait in the queue, problem solved".
Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

GA A fair point re Employer/employee, from my own point of view it was more of a fiqure of speech than anything. Having said that,I get the feeling that the LAs think in the mode that they can treaty us like employees instead of self employed people in our own right.

No doubt someone will want to jump on the bandwagon and state that is why you should join a Trade Union. But having been a Trade Unionist/shop Steward many years ago and making things happen, todays lot are like are like having a dog without any teeth. I do not mean for that to sound rude but I am not convinced.

In my own case, right or wrong, it just seems so over the top that anyone can be prosecuted for refusing to pick someone up, and then for it to be followed by a PACE interview. A simple "No you are not getting on my car" and bang you are in court - this country is BL***y mental.

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if you cannot be yourself, then who can you be.

I wasn't inferring you did say license holders had to submit themselves for interview, I was just trying to clarify if that was what you meant considering you didn't actually say it?

Regards

JD

Well at last after a deal of provocation some real debate,,maniac style mmm maybe but its hard work on here, im out of Fleet St so perhaps im a product of my enviroment?
Nice to see BR$Breesy report on some meetings hes been to with me.
The point is standing for the treatment that Cabby John did is in OUR opinion foolish, to describe taking a brief with you as provocative ridiculous.I hope John you dont regret posting it.
I am sure that all who have read or taken part in this debate are wiser for it, OUR position remains unchanged.
To quote J. Connolly The great are only great because you are on your knees, ARISE, this surely applies to all the Johns of our industrys? Join the GMBPDB NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DECISIONS ARE TAKEN BY THOSE THAT TURN UP!!!!

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Did I say it had taken me 23 years to gain representation? Did I say I represented 175 drivers? What I said was The GMB have given 175 drivers (Both H/C & PH) a voice. Personally I do not considor myself or the 175 drivers stupid. I do think that these 175 lads will not get abused by LO, or anyone else in our trade as they have the backing of the GMB, Very Stupid!

Oh MrT not having a good night are we, on here or anywhere else come to that. A bit of advice why not debate the issues your obviously an amateur at abuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
UP THE REPUBLIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote="cabby john"]Cabby John, I have attended Council meetings with GMB and would describe him as a class act. He was smart, proffessional and knowledgeable, Please don't become another brain washed TDO victim.

I think I have a mind of my own and make my own decisions, so being brainwashed will not come into it. Your Branch Sec may impress you, but then lets himself down by getting personal and aggressive with people that he does not know, so why does he do it? it is most certainly not enhancing him in his position.

His attitude to me comes across that he has an inability to argue sensibly with every day taxi drivers and that is a sign of weakness. I would not want a person like that representing me in front of Local Authorities, and I would hope that the person concerned would be striving to put on a strong professional front, and not be someone who was likely to lose their cool and let it become personal.

If as you say he can act in a professional manner then it would be nice to see it happen on this forum

John, I met GMB before I became a member of this forum, I would suggest you meet him face to face. That way you can make up your own mind.
I wish you luck.
Regards
BB

I have been working in the Brighton cab trade for 23 years and have just seen GMB give 175 drivers a voice in their trade for the 1st time ever

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

There is no point in debating with you. because it is not your intention to debate, you're simply trying to collect ideas from all the people on the site which you will then offer to your members as your own. the trouble with this cause of action is that often the idea becomes [edited by admin] and twisted and then becomes no use to anyone. as I have said before your 30 years out of date.

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

Exactly your incapable, we know it, ive not found many ideas on here that would be of much use to anyone. Keep exploiting it wont last for much longer OUR DAY WILL COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YOURS WILL FINISH SOON!!!!!!!!!!

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The views expressed by this contributor do not neccesarily reflect the policys of The GMB Nationally or of the GMB London Region.