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Exactly your incapable, we know it, ive not found many ideas on here that would be of much use to anyone. Keep exploiting it wont last for much longer OUR DAY WILL COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YOURS WILL FINISH SOON!!!!!!!!!!



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John was hard on you, yes but you as an ex tu official should know better in my opinion.
Have negotiated with many Inc Murdoch, Maxwell. Tiny Rolands, and one accasion had the Editor of a national newspaper put £6000 cash on my chapel office table so wed print his Tory propaganda. I sent that money straight to Arthurs strike headquaters. Balieve you me I come froma world youd never believe.We hired and fired our own labour ran our entire working lives for ourselves. With absolutely no interference from ANY managment.NO member of my Chapel was sacked for 65yrs ALL discipline was dealt with by us democratacly.We levied all our members £5 a week for the miners, refuse to pay it your out of work, none did!
Our favourite saying who wants yesterdays papers. suprisingly no-one.
Many of our most active members are ex Fleet St.to a man they were appalled at your perceived amateurism. As 16 year olds we learnt never alone always with maximum back up, the advantages of a pre entry closed shop.I was rude to you ,you deserve an apology,here it is, My comments regarding Wales reflect my experiences there, they wernt good.
If your ever in london i would like to meet you, im sure wed have much in common.Our branch is becoming highly respected in london snd now other parts of the country. Must disagree with your lecture on tactics I ALWAYS give the opposition a good kicking before we meet, puts me 2 up
Yours Fraternally Terry GMBPDB.

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If you think that I was insulting your branch secretary you are mistaken, by my standards I was beening generous, if it has taken you 23 years to achieve representation, then I was wrong in saying naive, it should have been stupid, I think you missed something out when you said you represent 175 drivers, surely you should have added the words whether they like it or not . and when I refer to taxis I mean hackney carriages not private hire. :wink:


Did I say it had taken me 23 years to gain representation? Did I say I represented 175 drivers? What I said was The GMB have given 175 drivers (Both H/C & PH) a voice. Personally I do not considor myself or the 175 drivers stupid. I do think that these 175 lads will not get abused by LO, or anyone else in our trade as they have the backing of the GMB, Very Stupid! :wink:




I have been working in the Brighton cab trade for 23 years and have just seen GMB give 175 drivers a voice in their trade for the 1st time ever
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I do believe If I meant myself I would have said "seen GMB give myself and 175 drivers" maybe its my english or yours :oops:


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GMB Branch secretary wrote:
John was hard on you, yes but you as an ex tu official should know better in my opinion.
Have negotiated with many Inc Murdoch, Maxwell. Tiny Rolands, and one accasion had the Editor of a national newspaper put £6000 cash on my chapel office table so wed print his Tory propaganda. I sent that money straight to Arthurs strike headquaters. Balieve you me I come froma world youd never believe.We hired and fired our own labour ran our entire working lives for ourselves. With absolutely no interference from ANY managment.NO member of my Chapel was sacked for 65yrs ALL discipline was dealt with by us democratacly.We levied all our members £5 a week for the miners, refuse to pay it your out of work, none did!
Our favourite saying who wants yesterdays papers. suprisingly no-one.
Many of our most active members are ex Fleet St.to a man they were appalled at your perceived amateurism. As 16 year olds we learnt never alone always with maximum back up, the advantages of a pre entry closed shop.I was rude to you ,you deserve an apology,here it is, My comments regarding Wales reflect my experiences there, they wernt good.
If your ever in london i would like to meet you, im sure wed have much in common.Our branch is becoming highly respected in london snd now other parts of the country. Must disagree with your lecture on tactics I ALWAYS give the opposition a good kicking before we meet, puts me 2 up
Yours Fraternally Terry GMBPDB.



Terry

I do not doubt as to whether you have the good qualities or ability to do the job, I guess we both go about things in a different manner, whether it is right or wrong is debateable.

For myself I do not believe in the nanny state or for that matter do I want someone to hold my hand. What I do believe in is having a go first of all, then no one can accuse me of being a whinger, as you can see from my original post I did not get into any real bother, it is still ongoing and it is they who are on the defence. At the end of the day I can always get back up if needed, at the moment I need not bother anyone else.

What I did get from this forum was some good sound advice, ( of which I asked for) and some advice that I would not use. I still think the softly, softly approach is best, and if they take that as a sign of weakness then they are going to have a nasty surprise, I suppose that is when you come into your own, lol.

Anyway I look forward to further exchanges, but not personal.

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brightonbreezy,
If you think that I was insulting your branch secretary you are mistaken, by my standards I was beening generous, if it has taken you 23 years to achieve representation, then I was wrong in saying naive, it should have been stupid, I think you missed something out when you said you represent 175 drivers, surely you should have added the words whether they like it or not . and when I refer to taxis I mean hackney carriages not private hire. :wink:


Did I say it had taken me 23 years to gain representation? Did I say I represented 175 drivers? What I said was The GMB have given 175 drivers (Both H/C & PH) a voice. Personally I do not considor myself or the 175 drivers stupid. I do think that these 175 lads will not get abused by LO, or anyone else in our trade as they have the backing of the GMB, Very Stupid! :wink:




I have been working in the Brighton cab trade for 23 years and have just seen GMB give 175 drivers a voice in their trade for the 1st time ever
:wink:


I do believe If I meant myself I would have said "seen GMB give myself and 175 drivers" maybe its my english or yours :oops:


BB. there is something that has been niggling away at me regarding the membership of the CMB in your area, maybe you can clarify the situation, out of the 175 members how many pay their subs individually and are any paid for by a radio company,or paid on block by someone else.?....

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John my concern is that you took or are taking an inadvisable risk, unfortunately others who not as capable as you might be influenced by that action, and subsequently find themselves unemployed.We also need to consider that LOs in other areas might be a bit cuter than yours.You made this issue public, so its difficult to comment without inherent critiscism of you.I repeat in OUR opinion following your route is extremely foolish, i would hate to have to try to pick up the wreckage of someone following your example! I wish you luck on this issue, and will point that to anyone thinking if I get in the POOP ill ring GMB, WE WONT NORMALLY DEAL WITH CASES THAT PRE DATE MEMBERSHIP!
DECISIONS ARE TAKEN BY THOSE THAT TURN UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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WE WONT NORMALLY DEAL WITH CASES THAT PRE DATE MEMBERSHIP!
DECISIONS ARE TAKEN BY THOSE THAT TURN UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But the local association will ....................... and they will to safeguard their members in that area from suffering the same fate.

B. Lucky :D

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GA glad to see your Ass influence stretches to Wales.
My members wont allow me to spend money on non members, why would they.
ORGANISE EDUCATE AGITATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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GA glad to see your Ass influence stretches to Wales.
My members wont allow me to spend money on non members, why would they.
ORGANISE EDUCATE AGITATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Wolfie I said BUT THE LOCAL ASSOCIATION WILL

I did not say OUR LOCAL ASSOCIATION WILL

Its not a case of spending money its a case of spending time advising at the start.

WE help and advise non-members in our area ............... and guess what ........... when we help them they become members.

Finally, we concern ourselves with people experiencing difficulties because one day one of our members could be suffering the same fate ........... and when that happens we want to have the experience to properly advise our member.

B. Lucky :D

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GA understood but while im working for non members im not working for members, and of course we recruit in the way you outline, but this issue would possibly involve Legal fees, soilicitors pay us for certain types of work.When im up in Geordie land we should have a drink, sure we agree on a lot and if not whats wrong with a debate?
All the best Terry
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I have not replied earlier to to the problem that I had, as a complaints procedure initiated by myself has been going on "letters etc".

Pretty much the usual has been going on, plenty of questions from me - no answers, and plenty of hand holding from just about everyone. The bottom line is that I am not any further forward.

However, one thing that has come out of this, is that the (2) people that made the complaint/statement about me did so under caution!

Now I was not guilty and able to prove the case. In my letter to the Council complaints office I asked as to whether the people who made the complaint under caution were now going to be taken to task over this false allegation!

Surprise,surprise - no answer. Now what is the point of a statement under caution and then taking no action, and how do I actually stand on this, as it is obviously weighted one way.

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Now what is the point of a statement under caution and then taking no action, and how do I actually stand on this, as it is obviously weighted one way.

They take it under caution as it wouldn't really stand up in a mags court otherwise, or would be weakened.

The fact that nothing yet has happened is good for you, but sometimes these things take ages as it's not the LOs that in the end decided to act.

But I wish you well.

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Statements from witnesses are not taken under caution. They sign under a caption that the staement is true to the best of their knowledge and belief etc etc. This is their get out clause. They believe it to be true. Only if the statement can be proven to be lies would there be any action taken and this would be by the Old Bill and not the Licensing Office.

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Statements from witnesses are not taken under caution. They sign under a caption that the staement is true to the best of their knowledge and belief etc etc. This is their get out clause. They believe it to be true. Only if the statement can be proven to be lies would there be any action taken and this would be by the Old Bill and not the Licensing Office.

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cabby john wrote:
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Now I was not guilty and able to prove the case.


Sussex Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:55 am Post subject:

They take it under caution as it wouldn't really stand up in a mags court otherwise, or would be weakened.

The fact that nothing yet has happened is good for you, but sometimes these things take ages as it's not the LOs that in the end decided to act.

But I wish you well.


Sussex - they have aknowledged that no further action is going to be taken, I proved that I had done no wrong.

oldbloke Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:52 am Post subject: Cabby John


Statements from witnesses are not taken under caution. They sign under a caption that the staement is true to the best of their knowledge and belief etc etc. This is their get out clause. They believe it to be true. Only if the statement can be proven to be lies would there be any action taken and this would be by the Old Bill and not the Licensing Office.




Oldbloke/Sussex - I have a letter of reply from the L.O stating that the complaint was made under caution, basically I am trying to find out if I have any recourse against false accusations as this could happen again in the future.

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