Taxi Driver Online

So I was right, you do need a victim.

What a sad little man you are CC.

And after "another 12 months" all is forgiven.


I wonder what you would say then? CC the benevolent dictator has decided you are now a "fit and proper person". Forgive me while I reach for my bag

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George Orwell, "Animal Farm"

I wonder what will happen if this guy flips his lid whilst driving his PHV? Ahh you'll say, he shouldnt have been licensed!

CC

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George Carlin

It's a very difficult situation.
The ultimate answer has to be "would you be happy if this man was picking up your daughter".
I'm not sure.

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stressed controller!!!

If the man was the well known bitter and twisted ex taxi driver, (no longer involved in the trade he claims) - Slapheid AKA the unrepentant convicted criminal thug, would you be happy rambo - I doubt it

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I would just like to understand exactly who would legislate and administer licensing if it were not the local council?

Or are you suggesting that a group of people other than the council would be better placed to decide issues relevant to the local community.

I would suggest that taking the authority from the council and putting it in the hands of another set of bureaucrats would achieve little more than greater upset and uncertainty within our trade.

I do believe that councils should be the authority .............. but in this case it has been suggested that one has made a decision which is wrong.
In my opinion any authority which issues licenses should do so with the public's interest as their priority and not as the loony Skull would suggest, by considering the best interest of a convicted criminal.

B. Lucky

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"Here's a simple solution. If you don't want to pay more for a premium service then wait in the queue, problem solved".
Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

I wouldn't be happy if this chap was taking my family home, but we don't have the full story.

As for councillors deciding what's what, I don't think most are fit to decide what clothes to wear.

Who should then is a good question, but most other things are decided on national guidelines, so why shouldn't our trade?

Is a thug in Eden any more than a thug in Gateshead or Sussex?

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IDFIMH

It's simple Ga.

Not you, I, nor politicians are best placed to decide the fitness of an individual. This should be left to the courts or properly trained examiners.

If this individual is a threat to the public then denying him a licence won't change a thing, but having him properly evaluated might.

Sadly Ga if this was the case, you wouldn't be able to stand in judgment.

I think this part said it all



Put yourself forward for a little psych test and do us all a favour

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All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell, "Animal Farm"

Unless such decisions are totally absurd and go beyond all reason then I rarely make comments on the granting of license applications. The reason I take a dig at councillors "knowing best" is because we have so many decisions by them that go from one extreme to the other.

There is no balance or uniformity because each individual councillor is completely different.

Some councillors may be extremists others might be passive, some may follow the party line others might be more independent? Some may have a brain to reason with and others might not? Some may understand that the rehabilitation of offenders has to start somewhere and others might take the view that offenders will always re-offend and therefore are too dangerous to let loose on the travelling public?

Obviously one has to weigh the gravity of any offence with regard to any possible danger to the public but in many cases councillors suspend and revoke licenses when there is no danger to the public whatsoever? Such is the case I highlighted in the small licensing authority near to Leicester.

If an application came before me which was borderline then I would probably grant it because I believe everyone deserves a second chance. Naturally for certain offences councillors can't give people that second chance and therefore the courts must decide if the person is fit and proper to be granted a license.

The remedy through the court system is probably the fairest because it gives both sides the opportunity to state their reasons in front of an independent board of magistrates why they should or should not be allowed a license.

At present Councillors are suspending and revoking licences for the most absurd reasons and when they get their new powers this activity will increase even further.

So for the foreseeable future licensing control will remain in the hands of sometimes inept and corrupt councillors until such time this trade of ours removes it from them?

I say corrupt because I was looking at past case law appertaining to corrupt councilors and I was alarmed at how many of them had been prosecuted for corruption?

Regards

JD

Some may be sleeping and others not breathing



regards

CC

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

It's a very difficult situation, the council could say he is not "fit and proper" and revoke his licence, he then trains as a plumber and can come into our houses and we would never know of his previous conviction.
Perhaps the police should have some input.

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stressed controller!!!

You see this is where the real truth is not made clear.

Most, if not every, council in the country delegate powers to the Licensing department.

If there is a discrepancy on an application it is the Licensing department's initial decision as to whether the licence is granted or if it needs to be heard before a committee.

In every case that is sent to committee the applicant has the opportunity to present a case to the committee (using legal assistance if required) to prove why that person should be granted a licence, and it is up to the Officer to whom the powers have been delegated to explain why the case has been referred to committee.

The councils committee are made up from elected representatives and are of similar social standing as the magistrates, the only difference is that the magistrates sit in three's and the committee can be made up of more than a dozen.

It is therefore safe to assume that all of the social groups named in previous posts are more likely to be present within a council committee than they are on the bench of a magistrates court.

When I say that councils are best placed it is because no-one has come up with a workable alternative ............. and my opinion will only change when someone does.

With regard the specific case, Sussex was exactly right when he abstained from comment as we do not have the full story.

B. Lucky

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"Here's a simple solution. If you don't want to pay more for a premium service then wait in the queue, problem solved".
Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

There is no mention of how long ago these convictions were! An Enhanced CRB / Disclosure brings up everything spent or otherwise and lets just say there are several in our trade with previous records that they are not proud of; no one else made a mistake? Again, none of us have the full facts of this particular case but I will say that I employed a driver who was atoo honest for his own good sometimes, was always polite, the little old ladies loved him to bits and I was sad to see him leave as he paid in well every week, always left the car clean and tidy, there was never any complaints about him - but several phone calls thanking him and requesting him again; not bad for a guy that got provoked in a pub one night after having a few drinks and hit back a bit harder than he realised resulting in him getting a 3 year stretch! Would I trust him to bring my daughter home - every time!

I have a short fuse and have a past that I'm not very proud of; but I still do my job well and am not a threat to (m)any of my customers! Come on, be honest, none of us would do this job if we weren't capable of handling ourselves if things went wrong in the car; and how do we know that we can handle a situation like that .... from experience

I take it you missed the 90 days in prison for a road rage attack in December 2004 then

CC

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

That wasn't me! Care to elaborate..........................

I thought you wrote;

There is no mention of how long ago these convictions were!

CC

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin