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Exactly how can you type with your head so far up your own ar$e .............. it makes some sense of the drivel and nonsense you write.

You are the champion of democracy .............. power to the people .......... yet you now claim that the councillors are put in place by the unions and therefore not the electorate.

And then to cap off the biggest load of turd I have ever read on a forum website (or indeed anywhere else) you claim that if they don't do what the unions want then they are out ................... how demofuckingcratic is that.

Wolfie, its not even midway through January but I'm proposing you for dickhead of 2007 .................... cause with that attitude I would like you to win something this year.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

So we have the tail wagging the dog . ............ like that's going to happen.

Then we get down to personal insults against one of the most knowledgeable and experienced men in our industry .................. I have held my tongue to long .................. Wolfie you are the little prat everyone used to pick on at school ............... you are the annoying little turd that comes on in the 89th minute of a cup final, with your team winning ten nil, and claim that the victory was down to you .................. you are the t*** that causes a fight and then runs away.

I think the way you have conducted yourself on here is disgraceful and if you really do negotiate in the same manner you are a disgrace to the trade union movement ................ and as a trade unionist myself I will have to consider whether to make a report not only to your union headquarters but also the TUC.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Well done Terry, your 'midas touch' strikes again! Your unique, no one else quite like it.

(Thank God )

GA i cant help it if you dont UNDERSTAND the real world, report me to who you like, like i give a f--k, democracy is debate, your incapable, EX MOB hardly surprising goes with the territory.
UP THE REPUBLIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The views expressed by this contributor do not neccesarily reflect the policys of The GMB Nationally or of the GMB London Region.

Wolfie in order to debate an issue you need to fully and properly understand the issues facing the modern day taxi driver.

Your interpretation is that they are workers, and although we all work hard and many of us are contracted to operators we are not employed. We are all small businesspeople, accountable to undertake all of our own responsibilities.

Your perception is that the council are somehow responsible for our earnings or working conditions .................... the are not .............. they are there to ensure the PUBLIC get the best and safest service possible.

The sooner you start waking up and understand that some of the people involved in this profession are more than capable of putting our house in order and are significantly better placed to represent the trade than some no-hoper who has no experience in the real world of the licensed hire and reward driver.

Now, you have spouted off on more than one occasion telling us how this and that is wrong, but you are yet to offer any solutions other than to subscribe to your union.

Your couldn't give a F**K attitude is more than apparent ................. and is probably the main reason why your membership of this forum has gained you no support ................... FFS you had to get some of your mates to join to actually get someone to say a good word for you.

The lads in Brighton know who has made the achievements down there ................. and from the people I know down there none dedicate the victory's to the GMB ............................. indeed most have said Terry who ............... and I have needed to point out who you were.

You are of little significance and absolutely no consequence ................... and unfortunately you are dragging the great GMB and trade union movement down in a lot of peoples estimations.

Now debate Wolfie.

B. Lucky

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"Here's a simple solution. If you don't want to pay more for a premium service then wait in the queue, problem solved".
Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

GA glad i seem to have struck a raw nerve with you, so you want to debate.
Democracy big business via the CBI, Institute Of Directors, Chambers Of Commerce shovel millions into the Tory Party, why ? obviously so that their views and policies, will be fulfilled.IE vested interest, Anti Union Laws,
Anti minimum Wage, Less Employment rights, less health and safety legislation, All legitimate policies they want, if the Tory party dont advocate those policies they dont contribute, on local issues you will find the chamber of commerce,local CBI, and some masonic lodges will influence the selection and retention of Cllrs for the Torys.Vested interests control the Tory Party.
The Labour Party operates in much the same way, obviously our contributors, and supporters have different ideas on policies.It must be rememberd the party was formed as the political arm of the TU movement.Unfortunately in the last 30yrs it distanced itself from US.The move is now under way to take it back into control of the TU movement.Quite obviously the selection snd retention of CLLRS is near the top of that process.Up until recently no-one was admitted into membership of the Party UNLESS they were already a member of a TU. This we are determined to re-establish.This is how it operates, if you dont regard that as democratic,maybe your right, but unless we have state funded political parties thats it.
You state that you are not workers but small businesses,maybe but does that remove the need for representation?
Your right about one thing the need for in your area negotation, and it would appear it works to adegree, my membership are mainly PH and their situation is very different from yours.Im sure you are able to indentify the different scenarios,without me having to go through them.
Obviously PH need different, to a degree, representation i dont have all the answers, but we are a listening organisation, my main problem is always to overcome the apathy within the trades.If we take this web site as the leader of its type in the industrywe find LESS than 1000 members, of whom less than 50 regularly contribute.Apathetic indeed out of an industry of what 400,000.My problem is to get workers/owners to look at the industry as a whole.We the GMB have immense resources, its my intention to see these resources used by the workers/owners within the Industry.
If we look elsewhere we see that ORGANISING works, in this industry on the whole earnings are poor hours long,its extremely dangerous in some areas,very stressful and is associated with very poor health, as arule cab drivers dont make OLD BONES.
You rightly buck up at some of my provocation, but its not personal its a tool to engender debate, i wish it wasnt necessary, but this lot need winding up or else nothing will change.Our aim is too see an industry withpublic respect, that provides a safe secure, reliable.affordable service for our customers, at the same time we want the workers/owners to be able to earn a good living in a reasonable enviroment. Currently we see the result of no, or scatterd representation,surely we should try to progress?Obviously you and i will disagree on tactics and aims , why not but we do debate.I keep saying it imvery new to this cyber world and when posts are looked at, in retrospect some seem HARSH, but were we at the same table a smile or a gesture would disarm that statement.
I appreciate yiour attempts to debate, so many on here go nowhere it, since ive been contributing on here recruitment has grown, ive received threatening phone calls with threats against myself and my family. have had posters threaten violence, no problem i could have hidden behind an alias, what it reveals is that many exploiters on here are FRIGHTEND of organisation RIGHTLY so, we aint taking prisoners.
i am sure that you care thats why you persist, so will I, still think we should meet when im up. all the best TERRY/ WOLFIE

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The views expressed by this contributor do not neccesarily reflect the policys of The GMB Nationally or of the GMB London Region.

Wolfie we agree that the political process is, shall we say, open to corruption by individuals or organisations protecting their own interests ............. some call it influence but it remains corruption in my eyes.

I find it abhorrent that you would seek to back a system which directly controls who governs, whether it be locally or nationally, when democracy would clearly state that the elections decide who sits in power and not a room full of a select group of people.

A lot of the arguments you raise are totally political and have no real relevance to taxi or private hire issues, and although you are trying your best to convince us that taking political power will ensure a better future I reamin to be convinced. I may remind you that we have been under the power of the Labour Party for enough years for them to have effected positive changes .............. instead they have taken us into more wars than any other government in our history.

The "New Labour" party is more likely to seek affiliation to the United States than it is to anything else and I include the unions in that statement. This shower has taken mare from the workers or common man than anyone else could ever have imagined, because the have taken our political party and therefore our voice.

I fear their actions are irreversible, I fear that today's politicians need to be as capable of achieving celebrity as they are of forming policies in our best interest. The Labour Party is, I believe a dead duck, and maybe, if the TU movement is as strong as people profess a new political arm should be formed into a new party that properly represents our ethic.

I would question the GMB's goals with regard this issue ................... what is their greater goal ................. is it proper representation for its members or a victory for Labour at the next elections.
I say this because the recent history of the Labour government is forming policies which adversely effect the working conditions and profits for those involved in our industry. There is a conflict of interest there I'm sure you will have to agree.

I agree that it is impossible to convey emotion or humour when writing, however some of us are possibly more aware of this than you are.

Meeting is not a problem, just PM me when you know when our coming up here.

I think this debate will start getting boring for others, so maybe we could continue via PM or email.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Them tinted sunglasses of yours seem to be working Terry!

I take it the foxhunting bill, the Smoking laws and all the other BS this government have passed through parlement during the past few years have sweet FA to do with vested interests in the Labour Party then?

Oh yes, dont forget the rail system either, isnt Mr Branson a friend of the labout party? How come the Virgin franchise collects £300m to keep on running, whilst GNER collapse? How come the East coast franchise goes out for tender 4 times and the west coast rail franchise hasnt gone out at all?

And dont forget pounds for peerages.

Shall i go on? The disaster of the PFI scheme, the millions paid to consultants to run the NHS, the slashing of the legal aid budget, the mess the CRB are in, sending soldiers to war without the right equipment, the Saudi investigation over arms being dropped, the state of the nations prisons....shall I go on?

CC

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I would suggest Wolfie wears blinkers as well as his rose tinted glasses.

God help us if he ever got into a dispute with Skull ............... would anyone of us understand the arguments.

B. Lucky

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"Here's a simple solution. If you don't want to pay more for a premium service then wait in the queue, problem solved".
Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Capt there was me and my old mate going to go over to pms and you show up.
Well i agree with you absolutely corruption back handers, stupid wars,poor equipment for Troops, what would you expect from TORY BLAIR.
GA is bang on our party has been stolen by the torys [maggie best creation she said]
Branson anti union, at home with Blair, so where do we go further right to the present Torys or take the Lab back to the left where they belong.
Within the TU movement weve made the decision, to the LEFT.
I think we should recognise some of the good things this govt has done,
min wage.fox hunting!!! Working time regs, meaning increased hol entitlement this Oct,better employment rights, and easier TU recognition regs, this a few of them. you might not agree they were good but the other shower would not have done any of them, I think they were needed!

The real issue to me is the relevance of the political position to our TRADES. You will have noticed that i think Politics are relevant to every facet of our lives. I consider this industry to be THE prime example of the success of [divide and rule] poor earnings long hrs, dangerous conditions.
We believe ALL these problems will be solved by a Left Labour Govt, with Left Lab councils, the first step on that road is the UNIONISATION of the industry. To be totally honest im beginning to doubt whether Hack and PH will ever co-operate together.What is clear on here is most talk about[me] instead of [us] as i said yesterday on this site we are only 50 from 400,000
hardly encouraging, but we are making progress ahead of schedule,of course normally where we have strong political contacts, London and Brighton being the most obvious examples.To sum up take our party left,ORGANISE EDUCATE AGITATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ẁhat planet are you on?

You guys have slaughtered the working man's lot.

I'm up against it mate, and you're still arguing the platitudes of the 70's.

I'd write more, but I'm away to puke.

But they have Wolfie .................. and the co-operation was successful.

When you talk about HC and PH not getting on, I think that to a large extent ends in London.
In most towns and cities HC work alongside PH with regard drivers, but I do think that there is division between the HC trade and the larger PH operators who now have so much money they think they can do whatever they want.



I believe problems within the trade can be solved by working with the Licensing department .................... anything to do with politics can no longer be trusted and a push to the left by Labour will come shortly after Gary Glitter gets found inocent.

If the trade unions are serious about a political party for the workers then a Unionist Party would be formed and candidates found to stand against the New Labour pretenders.

Until that happens trade unions cannot continue stand alongside the New Labour thieves without being tarred with the same [edited by admin] brush.

B. Lucky

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"Here's a simple solution. If you don't want to pay more for a premium service then wait in the queue, problem solved".
Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

With the greatest respect Terry the labour party before Mr Blair became leader was basically unelectable, even the much maligned John Major who at the time was trying to play down the calls of Tory sleaze managed to defeat them.

Does politics come into this? I'm not so sure, I have a nagging suspicion the only reason Neil Kinnock wasn't elected and John Major was, is because basically Kinnock had Ginger hair and was extremely ugly.

Blair was elected because he was considerably better looking than the Tory bloke.

Now, if you elect Gordon Brown as leader, who is no oil painting, and indeed, looks like his face has been the result of a severe beating with a frying pan, I see the Tory's winning the next general election.

The public are a really shallow bunch, very often choosing looks before substance, in despite of what they say.

As for the fox hunting thing, please tell me how this affected you, because the majority of the British public seem to have been persuaded that the fox is a lovable animal, whereas the fact is they are vermin that spread disease.

Working Time regulations....fair enough, but wasn't that a European thing?

With regards to the politics thing and the trades, well I don't agree because possibly similar to almost every other sound thinking individual, I don't believe politics should play a role over the licensed trades.

Indeed, I don't really see the position of the NTA as one where it should condemn Iran for developing a Nuclear capability, not should it become involved in who becomes Prime Minister.

As for the left solving problems, I don't think the left will be given the chance, because deep down they know they are unelectable.

Now this thing with Scotland we mentioned a couple or three weeks ago.

Its 300 years since the Scots decided to accept the English.

If the Scots want independence why do you think the English should vote on it?

Scotland is a proud nation, and when you consider the likes of the Baltic states and Scandinavian countries operating completely independently and quite well, Scotland could do well without England, and its certainly in a position to do so.

But if the Scots choose that route, its a Scots decision....not English.

The English weren't given this opportunity in Northern Ireland, so what gives you the impression we should be given the chance in Scotland?

The nagging suspicion I have is that the government are currently propped up by its Scots MP's. And that the majority of England voted Tory during the last election.

CC

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Quote Terry

[b]To be totally honest im beginning to doubt whether Hack and PH will ever co-operate together. Quote.[/b]


Terry, the biggest problem here is convincing the P.H drivers and I suppose for that matter to a degree the Hackneys that work from an office, that they need to be solid. The power that they have together could virtually close a big operator, in doing so, move on to another office and if necessary do the same, until these dictators get the message.

Unfortunately one side or the other always needs to take the high ground, instead of working together for one common purpose and that is making money.

These guys in many respects are like employees in their status. I have seen first hand - and I am sure many others have seen the same, whereby the driver concerned has criticised the company he /she pays admin to and (1) the volume of work drops or (2) they take the data base / radio off of them.

The result is the PH is out of work and the Hack suffers a drop in earnings. We need to get to a situation whereby the fear factor is taken away i.e loss of work, this will only ever be done by (whichever union) taking a lead role and demonstrating to all and sundry that the Unions are back.

I would not want to see us go back totally to the bad old days of, strikes, strikes ,strikes but strong leadership along with good marketing i.e (this is what we have done) from the Unions need to be seen. The reason for the drastic drop in membership apart from the fact that industry was decimated, is that a tremendous amount of Unions are seen as toothless.

As mentioned strong leadership is needed, and if I am buying that product then it has got to do the job.

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