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Give me a plate ........... Give me a plate .............. Give me a plate .............Give me a plate.


But you've already been given one, and then sold it for £50,000.

I don't care. Give me another plate .................... Give me another plate ............. Give me another plate ................Give me another plate.

Are you going to sell this one as well or are you actually going to use it yourself.

Who cares. And whats it got to do with you.



You claim to want more plates, but you want the total number of plates to remain restricted so that you can get a free plate but maintain the plate value of £50,000.

I think some people may well be supporting your actions without knowing your true intentions, by not responding it appears to me that you want the council just to give you £50,000.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

He can have mine

CC

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
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But yours isn't worth £50,000 CC.

This bloke seems to have had a plate and sold it for £50,000.

He then askes for another plate and uses the first £50,000 to buy a new TX.

Hey presto he has a cab and a plate paid for by Edinburgh Council, and a £50,000+ lump when he retires.

Nice work if you can get it.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Keep taking the medication GA.

Don't worry the medication I need is easy to remember to take

Pity you can't even remember how many plates you've had for free off Edinburgh Council and made £50,000 on.

Still honesty is to much to ask from a convicted criminal now isn't it.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Btw you looney, it may be worth pointing out that this is a discussion forum ................ it may be worth actually thinking about what you post as it may well be discussed.

What a prat.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Dear oh dear!

Which area? If you mean Gateshead the answer is no they don't. I'm not aware Gateshead has changed its policy to quantity controls, are you?



Gateshead has a policy of no quantity controls so I suppose you are referring to the 80 or so vehicles that have grandfather rights? You never were one for clarity.

I wouldn't assume that just because Gateshead are reviewing their policy on so called quality controls that they intend to return to a policy of quantity control.



The price of a plate is determined by the seller and the three main factors for calculating plate values are, earnings potential, the cost of rent and stability. Ask Burnley cab drivers about plate values and stability? When stability went out of the window so did their plate values.



Is this what you perceive about Fairness? I must admit, "you never seem to amaze me" and it's no wonder you are nearly always in a minority of one? It's patently obvious from the postings on this topic that most people see "Fairness" as meaning, "everyone is treated alike." You can put whatever spin you want on the word "Fair" but perhpas you should remember from time to time, that you are talking to adults with a brain and not a bunch of primary school children.

I think most, if not all, will understand the meaning of "right and wrong", "good and evil" and what is "fair and what is unfair"? When you say, "the perspective of fairness is only relative to the writer" I must admit, that what really comes across from your statement on this particular issue, is that "the perspective of fairness" is only relative to you and that in your opinion, Fairness means exclusion?

The rest of us know the meaning of the word "fair" and we can choose to be either fair or unfair but please don't categorise your prefered policy of "EXCLUSION", with the word "FAIR."



Perhaps the price for fairness and equality is imeasurable? After all, Edinburgh council has recently spent in the region of one hundred thousand pounds in order to restrict that very same commodity. If someone is willing to pay 50 grand for something that could be worthless overnight then they are rather foolish for parting with 50 grand in the first place. You forget that over 70% of councils in England and Wales already practice a policy of "fairness" therefore it would seem you are fighting an uphill battle in order to achieve your dream of "unfairness."

It doesn't matter which side of the fence you sit on, if over 70% of councils practice a policy of fairness by not restricting entry into the Taxi market, what do you call it when a person like you wants to reverse that policy and exclude people from entering the market? Some would no doubt think that you go from a level playing field policy, to a policy of exclusion. Therefore the balance of the playing field becomes somewhat "tilted", don't you think?



Perhaps it is people like you harbour thoughts of an eqaul world based on restriction, that don't give a flying ???? or Whatever you wish to call it? Is Mr Jasper not advocating a level playing field, while you advocate the exact opposite? You have a level playing in Gateshead now, but you prefer to make it unlevelled by asking the council to once again restrict licenses.

I assume you do understand the meaning of the word RESTRICTION, if not the word FAIR?

Regards

JD

Perhaps GA would tell us if the following description is fair?

As posted on the Evening News web site in response to a query about the Jacobs survey which the council uses to restrict licences because of "no significant unmet demand". What I did not have the space to say however, is that the much of the text of the Jacob Survey was plagiarised from the council's own web site.

Here it is.

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Jacob's is entirely a trade issue, it would have taken too long to explain it to the public, whom this piece is addressed to. As stated there wasn't space.

But Jacob's goes on trial during my licence application before the regulatory committee.

Indeed it has already done so during the case of 3maxblack. After Garry Thomson described the flaws in it Cllr Wiggleswoth, then a committee member and now its convenor, felt so strongly he stated he wanted to go on record to state that Jacob's "is flawed".

Now, this is interesting because Legal services failed to record this statement, made before witnesses at this public meeting, in its minutes - just as it has failed to record any of the information given by applicants in presenting their cases. Isn't it a clear failure of its statutory duties for councils not to properly record the activities of council committees?

Cllr Wigglesworth, a man of the cloth, has been asked to refute that he said this. He hasn't. He got Legal Serices to write that there is no record of it. I asked him again specifically to tell me, yes or no, did he say it? He won't answer my question.

Yet this same Cllr Wigglesworth allowed 41 applications to be denied on the strength of this report which he told us is flawed. Also, since becoming convenor, he has done nothing to have the report validated and continued to use it to deny licences.

The report is based on flawed data, the sums don't even add up and every demand indicator which would have pointed to demand was ignored.

This is the length to which this council has gone to continue to restrict licences. I want to know why? They're charged with public safety, adequate taxi numbers gets people off the streets and home at peak periods. Isn't this a good thing, less street crime, less risk of injury or mugging?

So what powerful influences are "persuading" the council to restrict licence numbers, which lead to £50k plate values and rentals now reaching £350 per week? Why, rather than refuse to answer all the questions I've asked them, has the council not once argued their case for continued restriction?

Because they couldn't possibly. Restriction is indefensible. It contravenes the very fabric of the economic situation we choose to operate in, the free market. A free market which could match supply with demand infinitely better than incompetent, untrained councillors can.

This is why they wouldn't face us on Talk107. They don't have a valid argument, a position they could possibly defend. But as John of East Lothian states, the opportunity is still there. We're ready to debate the issue anywhere at any time. We could do it on Talk107. We could do it up to and through the coming elections.

Their choice - while they still have one.

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It strikes me, that for a person who thinks he is clever you miss out on the simplest of things, you continually publicly threaten legal proceedings against this man and council, it strikes me that even the most junior person in the council's legal team would have strongly advised them to avoid you like the plague and you think the everyday person does not realise this ......brains of a rocking horse....

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

Dear oh dear, Mr T.

Where in my post above yours did I threaten legal proceedings?

And, what difficulty do you have with councillors behaving in a proper manner, according to the legislation governing their actions?

And what's wrong with a double or triple shifted car becoming single shifted? What problem do you have with drivers operating their own vehicle, working when they need to, and providing a better service to customers, particularly at peak times?

You really do think you're smart, but you just proved your a Fooooooool....

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

So you think you can get a Hackney Carriage plate in Gateshead .............. did no-one tell you that there is a temporary restriction in place, and that it has been in place for 5 months.







Is it not the case that a person would view the potential earnings, consider the cost of rental and then stability before they decided how much they would be willing to pay for a plate. The price is determined by the purchaser, if they are only willing to pay a certain amount for a plate. If the plate is sold it is sold to the person willing to pay the most money.




So what you are saying is that a person who has invested £50,000 should loose that investment in the name of fairness .............. do you not consider that he may consider that to be unfair. You may say that its tough .................... but you disagree that he has the right to say that its tough that you can't get for free what he paid £50,000 for.

If it suits you its fair ............. if it doesn't then its unfair.




Again you misuse the word fairness .................. they operate a policy of not restricting numbers with no consideration to those who have invested in plates .......... not that the councils should show them any consideration, but I do believe that as members of the same profession we should.




It appears to me that Mr Jasbar has had an opportunity to have a HC plate ................. and then chose to sell it at the market rate (thats the rate decided by the market which is purchasers). Therefore his playing field tilts the way he wants it to TO BEST SUIT HIM.

We have a policy of temporary restriction in Gateshead and the playing field is fair because we are seeking a way to introduce a policy which is fair to everyone.

You suggest that opportunity is fairness, but as I have pointed out many times if the council choose to remove restrcition of numbers but impose a policy of brand new TX4's the number of people able to enter the trade is far less than in Gateshead where a plate and a brand new saloon can be purchased for less than a TX4.

You say Gateshead had a level playing field ................. but they never ever stopped restricting the number of saloon vehicles, so those were still in demand with prospective purchasers being willing to pay even more for a plate following deregulation of numbers because of the running costs of WAV's.

I don't agree with plate values ................. what I believe in is the RIGHT PEOPLE DRIVING THE RIGHT NUMBER OF VEHICLES. With numbers based upon the demand of the local community and the capability of the council to enforce the regulations.

You have stated many times about a councils ability to run taxi licensing ................. but is that not because people like you push for more and more vehicles and the licensing departments are not set up to deal with the numbers.

Maybe your motivation is more personal .................... maybe you seek to rent out vehciles to those who cannot afford to buy .................. but we will never know because we don't know who you are and therefore in what capacity you are involved in the trade.

B. Lucky

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"Here's a simple solution. If you don't want to pay more for a premium service then wait in the queue, problem solved".
Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Did I not say in that post "I wouldn't assume that just because Gateshead are reviewing their policy on so called quality controls that they intend to return to a policy of quantity control."

I think we all know about the tempory deferal of licence applications until this review is complete but if someone came along and really wanted a license and was refused, then Gateshead would have to put up or shut up in the crown court. Has Gateshead gone through the legal motions of a policy change if not their current policy hasn't changed regardless of any review.

When Gateshead officialy change their policy let us know.

Regards

JD

I don't know what world you live in but the owner sets the price of the plate and if anyone wants it that price then they can have it, if not they dont get it. Its as simple as that.

Owners know the value of their plate and in general its a concensus of the whole Taxi trade as to the current market value. Unless they are desperate, owners are are not going to sell their plate at a price dictated by anyone but themselves. Where plates or anything else for that matter are restricted, then it is nearly always a sellers market, hadn't you realised that?

Regards

JD