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I think the case of a driver admitting guilt shows more clearly a case for higher driver standards ............ which is something that needs to be introduced.

With regard the incident on Askew Road, if you had the benefit of local knowledge you would understand that the driver of the private hire vehicle that killed that young girl could have done nothing to avoid the incident. Askew Road (at the section concerned) has a 6ft fence to stop pedestrians accessing and crossing.

With regard the rest of your post JD ............... it appears the most recent legislation regarding this practice was in 1982 .............

so are you suggesting that things are so much different here.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

I wasn't aware we come under the Civic Government Scotland act but I wish we did. I asked you Which law would you like to see changed and how would it prevent someone from Gateshead using a taxi from Eden and Vice versa? And most importantly how would it standardise quality controls?

The civic Government Scotland act doesn't prevent a member of the public from phoning a private hire vehicle in one area to pick them up in another but if you can't answer the question or prefer not to answer the question then let it lie.

Regards

JD

And one day you will realise how very wrong you are.

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IDFIMH

GA - you are having your digs again and that leads to squabbles.

Cannot we not agree this thread is argued out.

BTW JD, perfectly valid points about quality levels.

I personally believe that a council should let any fit and proper have a license if they have a safe and roadworthy car.

Then let the customer decide how much they want to pay for what level of service.

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I think you are right Mr Thumb, but even if this thread dies soon, I've a good feeling that a few more will be starting up near the end of the month.

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IDFIMH

You obviously don't mind a member of the public phoning a private hire vehicle from one area (which has higher quality standards) only to be sent a HC vehicle from another area (which has lower quality restrictions).

The choice, as you quite rightly point out, should be the customers. I have no problem with them phoning a private hire firm or a hackney Carriage they know and trust regardless of the area they are in.

What I see as wrong .................. and please bear in mind we are trying to introduce quality controls here ................... is the fact that they may choosing that office based on the quality of vehicle or service insisted on by that local authority, to be sent a HC from another district that may not have to comply with higher standards.

Your claims that you support higher standards should be removed from here ................ because instilling higher standards in area A just leaves unscrupulous drivers or operators to licence in area B then return to area A to work and make a mockery of the higher standards in area A.

Like most other plans it seems as though the only thing that's really supported is greed.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

No need to point Suspect .......................... you got yourself a plate then?

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

It's not a case of what I want or what I mind? It’s the law that dictates the legality of the situation? And we can only go by what the law prescribes. Can we not?



What higher standards are you talking about? If you are a punter waiting urgently for a cab your not going to ask the driver when he arrives if he's passed a DSA driving test? Are you?

Have you ever been around on a Saturday night when it's busy? You will notice that punters will get into anything that moves? They really couldn't care less if the vehicle came from "outer space" as long as it had four wheels and a driver?

What would you say to a London Cab driver working Gateshead who doesn't have DSA tests certificate? Would they fit into your category of higher standards? The answer is no.

Most punters will order a cab on cost and reliability, not on a driver's ability to pass a DSA test?




It may have skipped your attention but I happen to concentrate my mind on what is legal? Not what is not legal but what you want to make legal by illegal means? You should look at the law and what's achievable under the law your going on about quality controls but these 343 councils are exercising their own opinion of quality controls and until the law is changed that will always be the case. Therefore it doesn't matter what I would like, I can only apply my mind to what the law states and as such that is how I base my argument. Now perhaps you can see why I want the law changed because quality controls as well as pricing and fares will be uniformly across the whole country. If we did away with 343 licensing authorities Quality controls will have legal backing because all standards will be the same. Simple as that, but you will NEVER get it until we change the system and you are already on record as saying the system is fine as it is, so you only have yourself to blame for the current state of affairs.

Regards

JD

Quality controls extend far beyond the DSA driving test JD.

I have asked many times how you would like to see licensing controlled nationally as it would NOT work unless certain laws are changed ............ and I would suggest that if the relative laws were changed councils would be in a better position to enforce them.

I would suggest that it is far easier to change what is wrong than it is to change the whole system.

I also don't understand why you supported the removal of section 75, when in your last post you claim that people will get into anything with 4 wheels and a driver ................. surely if you had any type of consistency to your argument would extend to the "Pink Ladies" or similar operations.

BUT it does not.

You claim also to "concentrate your mind" on whats legal ............. another load of tripe for exactly the same reason as mentioned above ............. "Pink Ladies" for example were operating within the law .............. but that law was wrong and you supported its removal.

When a person hires a HC or PH vehicle in any area of the country they should be assured that the local regulatory body can enforce the laws which govern their operation.

That is what is right ............. that is why we need this law changed so that a vehicle licensed in a particular area can only work from that area ........... as it is only in that area that the law can be fully and properly enforced.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Most of us know that when its busy at weekend punters will get into anything that moves, I'm surprised you don't but now you do.



So now you're an expert on the law? The fact is the law was never tested in circumstances appertaining to the way pink ladies were operating therefore your emphatic assumption is totally wrong. Unless of course you have found a case that supports your claim?



Is this another rabbit you've pulled out of the hat? I think Tom was right, all this stuff has been regurgitated countless times before and no matter how many times your flaws are pointed out it still hasn't sunk in?

The plain fact is, if Newcastle think they have a case then all they have to do is prosecute and thats about the top and bottom of it. Considering you think these guys from Eden and elsewhere are breaking the law then you should get on the phone and tell the Newcastle LO that he should get his finger out and prosecute them.

Regards

JD

If I pull another rabbit out of the hat it cannot have been discussed before.

The flaws within this argument are yours not mine.

You have failed to answer the questions raised, in fact that has been your only consistency.

I have no business calling Newcastle's LO .............. but I do speak to my LO on a regular basis and I can assure you that any HC working in Gateshead who are licensed from outside the borough better make sure that they are complying within the law when they operate under a PH contract in Gateshead.

It is clear that these laws can be interpreted to allow a HC to work under a PH contract anywhere in the country ............... and I am not contesting that.

What I am stating clearly is that the ultimate reason for licensing vehicles and drivers is so that the local authority under which the vehicle or driver is licensed has control over their activity of operation.

You again resort to answering questions raised with questions which is a tactic regularly used by politicians who don't want to answer the questions raised.

You seem to be willing to see this trade on its knees as long as it provides evidence that the local authority is not capable.

Is it not easier to change what is wrong than to change everything?

Is it not the responsibility of the local authority to ensure the fitness and propriety of everyone working under licence in their area?

The real difference here is that I support my local authority as the best people to operate the licensing function, and I want to see every driver and vehicle working for hire and reward accountable to that authority.

You keep proposing higher standards through quality controls within other threads as the way forward ................ yet when the shortcomings are highlighted on here and when it is shown how these high standards can be circumvented you claim that it is right.

I know I'm just a thick Geordie .................... but at least I don't profess to be anything else.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Hull vs. Wilson

DPP vs. Com Cab and others



regards

CC

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Cheers CC ....................... I was keeping them until he claimed there was none ................ but as good a time as any.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

What questions are they?

Put all you questions in chronological order.



Good lol.



I see.



I'm not interested in what your ultimate reasons are I'm only interesting in what the law states.



Perhaps you should ask meaningful questions instead of making statements of incorrect fact.



Is this a question or a statement?



Depends what you're referring to? I suppose you could put it in the context of minor surgery or a major operation. I think in your case I would definitely go for a major operation? lol



I don't know you tell me?



So you don't support the law?



You mean drivers with higher standards working as private hire in an authority with lower standards?



I'm stuck for words on that one?

Regards

JD

And what have these cases got to do with section 75?

I would re read the post again Cap, Mr GA referred to pink ladies, section 75. However by his comments that "he was saving them" it just goes to show how little he knows about the law.

You could have mentioned one particular case but that case doesn't go anywhere near to addressing the circumstance that pink ladies were working under.

Regards

JD