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The Scotsman has its own law reporter at the High Court but although he knows about the recent case he was of the opinion that a freelance law agency might be reporting on the subject, however that may not be the case as I found out yesterday. 0131 2263821

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 Post subject: Re: Edinburgh IPL
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:13 pm 
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Edinburgh IPL

We have it on good authority that, if as much as one licence is granted some of those on the Interested Parties List (IPL) will be applying and are prepared to challenge the council in court if necessary. I think after 15 years waiting I would be doing exactly the same.

Needless to say there are others who recognise the councils weakened state and are considering making application also, simply because the boys have won their case.

I only hope they have the nuts to go-4 –it.

I wonder if the worms are really on the turn. :wink:

It costs £875 to apply or 50K+ to leapfrog the IPL - like I said before - GO-4-IT


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Yeah its a great idea ...................... get hundreds of people to apply for a HC licence .................. get the council to cave in and give anyone wishing to have a plate one each ..................... hundreds of new cabs on the road laughing that they haven't had to pay for the plate ...................

I only hope that there is serious unmet demand otherwise all these new plate holders will be wasting there time acting as a HC and will end up taking their TX's to a PH operator seeking a radio.

I doubt people think about what they really want, working PH in a TX HC has got to be more expensive than working a saloon PH ..................... still you know what your doing :roll: :roll:

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Serious unmet demand?

GA, over the 14 years I've been in the trade hackneys have increased by 20%. PH by over 600%.

Former council leader tells us Edinburgh's economy is "burgeoning".

He tells us that there are more hotel rooms and the occupancy rates are higher than they've ever been.

Edinburgh Council's bus comapny is extending its service.

Nightbus frequency has been increased to a half hour service.

The Council's bus company has introduced its own taxibus service to the airport.

The Council has secured a budget of £582 million for a new tram service.

Rickshaws and the new Scoot service, competing directly against the taxi trade.

The airport opening up to hackney taxis.

The introduction of the new Airportcarz service.

And, out of all this, hackney taxis alone, of all these transport types, have no increase in demand?

You're having a laugh!!!!!!


Its a wonder there is any work for Hackney's with all that going on ............................ I understand you need a PCO approved vehicle for Edinburgh HC .................. so isn't a TX4 a bit of an expensive PH vehicle?

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With edinburgh,s growing economy the council will at some point have to concede unmet demand.I wonder how those on the IPL will react when they realise any live application will take precedence over theirs.
It just seems any survey done will come back with the old favourite
NO SIGNIFICANT UNMET DEMAND!!!!!!!!


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NO SIGNIFICANT UNMET DEMAND!!!!!!!!

I think if Jacobs came back with a little SUD and issued 50 plates then that, in the long term, would have been better for the existing plate holders.

Thank f*** they didn't. :D

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With edinburgh,s growing economy the council will at some point have to concede unmet demand.I wonder how those on the IPL will react when they realise any live application will take precedence over theirs.
It just seems any survey done will come back with the old favourite
NO SIGNIFICANT UNMET DEMAND!!!!!!!!


The problem is that any future survey claiming "No Significant Unmet Demand" will only go to hike plate “values” even further. The bigger problem is, is that these idiots will keep buying in regardless. You’ve seen what they’re like on Fasties and TDO for that matter. Some wannabe business types want to believe the plate has a “value” with the ones who have already bought in needing to believe it. The seller wins both ways; hiked plate values with dummy’s lined-up waiting to part with their hard earned.

There is no reason for those on the IPL to wait any longer it’s not like they are going to be handed a 50K+ check from the council – so why wait.

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NO SIGNIFICANT UNMET DEMAND!!!!!!!!

I think if Jacobs came back with a little SUD and issued 50 plates then that, in the long term, would have been better for the existing plate holders.

Thank f*** they didn't. :D


Except, we all know that the council always knew that Jacobs would be delivering no SUD. That was why they were choses from the tender list.

remember they weren't the cheapest, nor the most comprehensive. It was a clear choice by the council that they were awarded the contract. Of course they won't give us the reason, and of course how convenient it is that the council doesn't minute anything of what takes place at committee meetings. Seems little more than corrupt to me.

Jacobs was only ever about denying licences. The delaying tactic was only ever about allowing Jacob time to come into the frame to deny licences. This was only ever about denying licences.

The truth is that these applications were never considered on their merit, something the council is duty bound to do.

As for myself, my application will be argued on Law and logic. But the council will deny my application. Even though there 41 applications will need to be granted, even though the interested parties list will need to be granted. But my application meeting was always only ever about laying out the argument in such a way as to prepare the grounds for the appeal. I believe that the courst will adhere to law and logic and grant me my licence - yet another bloody nose for the council.

Of course, rather than deal with the matter in this sullied RC, the councils further delaying tactics just mean that the next RC wilkl start its working life just as sullied. How can there ever be any respect between the opposing sides in such circumstances.

All of this proves that the only way to deal with draconian councils is to batter them. They are storing up grief, not only on this issue, but all the issues we have yet to raise - disciplinary procedures, quality controls, wheelchair policy etc.

Seems they are quite happy, in the absence of real political leadership, to accept this strategy and revel in the hardest working life imaginable.

Bring it on though, eh? :wink: :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Edinburgh IPL
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Its a wonder there is any work for Hackney's with all that going on ............................ I understand you need a PCO approved vehicle for Edinburgh HC .................. so isn't a TX4 a bit of an expensive PH vehicle?

GA, Your forgetting the they can now drive the E7 in Edinburgh, and at 20k that's 14k cheaper than a TX

I am wondering how well the E7 is doing in Edinburgh with a room-yer interior and better economy perhaps Skull will inform us


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 Post subject: Re: Edinburgh IPL
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:29 pm 
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Its a wonder there is any work for Hackney's with all that going on ............................ I understand you need a PCO approved vehicle for Edinburgh HC .................. so isn't a TX4 a bit of an expensive PH vehicle?

GA, Your forgetting the they can now drive the E7 in Edinburgh, and at 20k that's 14k cheaper than a TX


Thanks for that Skippy ...................... but even £20k is expensive for what will ultimatley be used as a PH vehicle.

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GA when you concider you can have the best of both worlds for 20k and if you consider that a saloon car worth its salt is almost that now, If I knew Edinburgh better than I do at the moment, I would apply for a plate, I have been secretly been doing the knowledge up there on a Tuesday night, for the last 3 months, I know that I should apply to the taxi school but I want to pass first time and only knowing the main area's so far, I have to put the missing bits of the jigsaw in myself. being dyslexic I cannot study paper work I can only learn by doing it all by myself.


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GA wrote:
Thanks for that Skippy ...................... but even £20k is expensive for what will ultimatley be used as a PH vehicle.

20k is a lot of money, but it's only about 18 months rental in Edinburgh. :wink:

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Thanks for that Skippy ...................... but even £20k is expensive for what will ultimatley be used as a PH vehicle.

20k is a lot of money, but it's only about 18 months rental in Edinburgh. :wink:


I understand your point but what I'm getting at is that the jockies in Edinburgh are paying rental for the vehicle they use AND in some cases radio rent to either circuits or PH operators.

If a PH driver in Edinburgh was driving a 5 year old Ford Mondeo and making good money how much more would he need to make if he had to buy an E7, pay the extra for the insurance and fuel BUT STILL have to pay a radio circuit or PH operator to give him a chance to earn the same money.

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GA when you concider you can have the best of both worlds for 20k and if you consider that a saloon car worth its salt is almost that now, If I knew Edinburgh better than I do at the moment, I would apply for a plate, I have been secretly been doing the knowledge up there on a Tuesday night, for the last 3 months, I know that I should apply to the taxi school but I want to pass first time and only knowing the main area's so far, I have to put the missing bits of the jigsaw in myself. being dyslexic I cannot study paper work I can only learn by doing it all by myself.


Keep at it Skippy ................... I helped someone with the same problem some time ago .................. people don't realise how hard dyslexia makes learning knowledge/locality but stick in and good luck with it.

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 Post subject: Re: Edinburgh IPL
PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:18 am 
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Thanks for that Skippy ...................... but even £20k is expensive for what will ultimatley be used as a PH vehicle.

20k is a lot of money, but it's only about 18 months rental in Edinburgh. :wink:


I understand your point but what I'm getting at is that the jockies in Edinburgh are paying rental for the vehicle they use AND in some cases radio rent to either circuits or PH operators.

If a PH driver in Edinburgh was driving a 5 year old Ford Mondeo and making good money how much more would he need to make if he had to buy an E7, pay the extra for the insurance and fuel BUT STILL have to pay a radio circuit or PH operator to give him a chance to earn the same money.

B. Lucky :D


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GA wrote:
If a PH driver in Edinburgh was driving a 5 year old Ford Mondeo and making good money how much more would he need to make if he had to buy an E7, pay the extra for the insurance and fuel BUT STILL have to pay a radio circuit or PH operator to give him a chance to earn the same money.

I'm pretty sure that in Edinburgh the taxi boys take a different knowledge to the PH lads.

And the folks applying for plates are 100% existing cab drivers.

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Sussex wrote:
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If a PH driver in Edinburgh was driving a 5 year old Ford Mondeo and making good money how much more would he need to make if he had to buy an E7, pay the extra for the insurance and fuel BUT STILL have to pay a radio circuit or PH operator to give him a chance to earn the same money.

I'm pretty sure that in Edinburgh the taxi boys take a different knowledge to the PH lads.

And the folks applying for plates are 100% existing cab drivers.


This is becoming confusing (I know you'll say thats easy but .........), are the jockies in Edinburgh pushing for the removal of the restricted numbers policy of the council or are they just interested in getting themselves plates but retaining a controled numbers policy.

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