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I think you have definitely dropped a bollock JD, your interference is going to have a financial implication on many people who made a choice .................... you and you alone have removed that choice from them and if they are all forced into WAVs you will have condemned some to bankruptcy or into your friends radio circuit.

I think you are pointing your finger in the wrong direction.

The council wanting to make the fleet 100% WAVs has got f*** all do with anyone interfering form outside.

Ask someone from inside for the full SP. As long as he is still talking to you. :lol: :lol:


Hang on a minute ........... for 13 years the trade in Carlisle understood the conditions ................ for 13 years potential drivers could make a choice between what type of vehicle they used ..................... for 13 years this condition was never challenged.

Then the witchhunt against my FRIEND and COLLEAGUE Mr Wayne Casey started and JD thought that it would be a jolly game to try and discredit Mr Casey aiming the balme squarely at his feet for a decision he had no part in.

The FACT remains that drivers in Carlisle quite like having the choice of WAV or saloon and what JD failed to consider was that very fact.

Maybe next time he gets a bee in his bonnet he will consider that sometimes he doesn't know whats best .................... unlike unions and associations who usually act at the direction of their members.

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Hang on a minute ........... for 13 years the trade in Carlisle understood the conditions ................ for 13 years potential drivers could make a choice between what type of vehicle they used ..................... for 13 years this condition was never challenged.

No I will not hang on a bit. You were explaining that a driver had the hump that he will soon have to buy a WAV.

I suggest you focus you finger at the people who decided that he will need a WAV.

I know it's easy to blame JD for everything, but don't let you bias get in the way of the truth. [-X

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Then the witchhunt against my FRIEND and COLLEAGUE Mr Wayne Casey started and JD thought that it would be a jolly game to try and discredit Mr Casey aiming the balme squarely at his feet for a decision he had no part in.

What you mean like the way you are blaming JD for their new WAV policy? :-k

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Maybe next time he gets a bee in his bonnet he will consider that sometimes he doesn't know whats best .................... unlike unions and associations who usually act at the direction of their members.

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Hang on a minute ........... for 13 years the trade in Carlisle understood the conditions ................ for 13 years potential drivers could make a choice between what type of vehicle they used ..................... for 13 years this condition was never challenged.

No I will not hang on a bit. You were explaining that a driver had the hump that he will soon have to buy a WAV.

I suggest you focus you finger at the people who decided that he will need a WAV.

I know it's easy to blame JD for everything, but don't let you bias get in the way of the truth. [-X


At no time did I say that anyone would have to buy a WAV .............. I simply suggested that it MAY become a possibility.

The situation in Carlisle has been resolved now anyway, but interferences by JD and his witch-hunt against Mr Wayne Casey did nothing but cause disruption and uncertainty for everyone in Carlisle.

Still that'll no bother the man with no name .............. and no conscience.

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Then the witchhunt against my FRIEND and COLLEAGUE Mr Wayne Casey started and JD thought that it would be a jolly game to try and discredit Mr Casey aiming the balme squarely at his feet for a decision he had no part in.

What you mean like the way you are blaming JD for their new WAV policy? :-k


What new WAV policy.

:-s :-s :-s :doubt: [-X [-X [-X

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At no time did I say that anyone would have to buy a WAV .............. I simply suggested that it MAY become a possibility.

The issue isn't whether they may, must or do, it's that you were blaming JD for the proposed WAV policy.

I'm pleased you are now back tracking, but IMO it would be best if you got the facts right in the first place. [-X

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At no time did I say that anyone would have to buy a WAV .............. I simply suggested that it MAY become a possibility.

The issue isn't whether they may, must or do, it's that you were blaming JD for the proposed WAV policy.

I'm pleased you are now back tracking, but IMO it would be best if you got the facts right in the first place. [-X


I'm not back tracking you fool ........................ No-one in Carlisle knew what the councils reaction to JD's interference would be and all sides involved were concerned that they would be the most effected, particularly those for whom he was supposedly trying to help as they believed the councils most likely course of action was to insist on WAV's.

The fact is that this situation had, for 13 years, been in place and would have continued indefinitely was it not for the interference of JD .................... he sought to discredit one person without any consideration on how his witch-hunt would effect anyone else, the man even claimed that he was taken this action on behalf of people HE BELIEVED were being hard done by, without actually asking them what they wanted and explaining possible consequences.

That's why he protects his identity as he does, so he avoids responsibility for his advise or actions.

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I'm not back tracking you fool ........................ No-one in Carlisle knew what the councils reaction to JD's interference would be and all sides involved were concerned that they would be the most effected, particularly those for whom he was supposedly trying to help as they believed the councils most likely course of action was to insist on WAV's.


We only have your selective word for what one or two cab drivers in Carlisle may or may not have said and past experience proves that your statements need to be treated with supreme caution? The minutes of yesterdays meeting won't be out until next wednesday so we shall have to wait and see what revelations spring from the News and Star later today, in order to gauge any reaction from the local excluded Taxi trade.

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The fact is that this situation had, for 13 years, been in place and would have continued indefinitely was it not for the interference of JD


So you prefer to see a council implement illegal conditions rather than do something about it and make them abide by the law? You will make a good rep for those who think the same way as you. I just hope that one day you don't find yourself on the end of a similar illegal condition.

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he sought to discredit one person without any consideration on how his witch-hunt would effect anyone else, the man even claimed that he was taken this action on behalf of people HE BELIEVED were being hard done by, without actually asking them what they wanted and explaining possible consequences.


The fact is you can read my version of events on the front page of TDO and if you can point out any inaccuracies I'll gladly amend them. The fact is I didn't try to discredit Wayne Casey it was local and National organisations that represent the Taxi trade that I exposed as doing nothing to try and remedy this situation that they had known since 2002 was illegal. Wayne Casey just happened to be involved in a major way in both of those organisations.

I don't let organisations or personalities get in the way of the truth, if the law is being broken by councillors then they can rest assured that I will more than gladly expose them. Carlisle council has been exposed as operating an illegal condition and although they have sought to retain that illegal condition they will do so only until such time they are challenged in a court of law. When that will be I have no idea but one thing is for certain if I was a Carlisle saloon cab driver I wouldn't let an illegal condition stop me from ranking up on the busiest cab rank in Town.

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That's why he protects his identity as he does, so he avoids responsibility for his advise or actions.


Which advice and actions might that be?

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I'm not back tracking you fool ........................ No-one in Carlisle knew what the councils reaction to JD's interference would be and all sides involved were concerned that they would be the most effected, particularly those for whom he was supposedly trying to help as they believed the councils most likely course of action was to insist on WAV's.


We only have your selective word for what one or two cab drivers in Carlisle may or may not have said and past experience proves that your statements need to be treated with supreme caution? The minutes of yesterdays meeting won't be out until next wednesday so we shall have to wait and see what revelations spring from the News and Star later today, in order to gauge any reaction from the local excluded Taxi trade.


One or two is still one or two more than you spoke to.

No-one is asked to believe me JD .................. all I do is ask questions, its much more sporting to let others come up with their own answers ................ unlike your stance or should I say the world according to JD.

I doubt very much that Carlisle City Council would continue with a policy which you have suggested to them is illegal.

After all should we believe someone who doesn't have a true identity or the legal department of a City Council.

They have listened to you ..................... and then obviously decided your claims were pure bull$hit.
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The fact is that this situation had, for 13 years, been in place and would have continued indefinitely was it not for the interference of JD


So you prefer to see a council implement illegal conditions rather than do something about it and make them abide by the law? You will make a good rep for those who think the same way as you. I just hope that one day you don't find yourself on the end of a similar illegal condition.


I refer you to my response above.
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he sought to discredit one person without any consideration on how his witch-hunt would effect anyone else, the man even claimed that he was taken this action on behalf of people HE BELIEVED were being hard done by, without actually asking them what they wanted and explaining possible consequences.


The fact is you can read my version of events on the front page of TDO and if you can point out any inaccuracies I'll gladly amend them. The fact is I didn't try to discredit Wayne Casey it was local and National organisations that represent the Taxi trade that I exposed as doing nothing to try and remedy this situation that they had known since 2002 was illegal. Wayne Casey just happened to be involved in a major way in both of those organisations.

I don't let organisations or personalities get in the way of the truth, if the law is being broken by councillors then they can rest assured that I will more than gladly expose them. Carlisle council has been exposed as operating an illegal condition and although they have sought to retain that illegal condition they will do so only until such time they are challenged in a court of law. When that will be I have no idea but one thing is for certain if I was a Carlisle saloon cab driver I wouldn't let an illegal condition stop me from ranking up on the busiest cab rank in Town.


So is that why the story on the front page carries a different title than the original thread ................. a title which you changed halfway through the debate.

Become accountable for your actions JD .................. let everyone know who you realy are as you stated "I don't let organisations or personalities get in the way of the truth, if the law is being broken by councillors then they can rest assured that I will more than gladly expose them."

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That's why he protects his identity as he does, so he avoids responsibility for his advise or actions.


Which advice and actions might that be?

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This whole situation ................... you have made unsubstanciated allegations about the conduct of Carlisle City Council, Wayne Casey and the NTA none of whom can easily summonds you to court to answer the actions you have taken and the lies you have spread about them.

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and the lies you have spread about them.


All very mundane rhetoric but I'm most intrigued at this statement, "that you can't substantiate".

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and the lies you have spread about them.


All very mundane rhetoric but I'm most intrigued at this statement, "that you can't substantiate".

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Did Wayne Casey have exclusive use of the taxi rank at Carlisle Station ?

Was the NTA even in existence when this condition was attached ?

Did Wayne Casey propose the condition ?

Did the NTA propose the condition ?

Is it the responsibility of an association of drivers to undertake actions without the consent or mandate from their members ?


The answer to all of these questions is NO.

Yet you claimed or suggested that Wayne Casey had an exclusive rank and that the NTA condoned it because of Mr Casey's predominate position with the organisation.

This was done in an attempt to discredit both Mr Casey and the NTA and the whole original thread was a pack of lies.

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and the lies you have spread about them.


All very mundane rhetoric but I'm most intrigued at this statement, "that you can't substantiate".

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Speaking as some one, who is totally impartial. Where is Mr Carlisle, Wayne Casey ? :?: , a man with his rapier like wit , and intellectual genius. Is more than capable, of sticking up for him self. Could it be his absence from here, is an indication , something smells a bit, in Carlisle . Regards streetcars


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and the lies you have spread about them.


All very mundane rhetoric but I'm most intrigued at this statement, "that you can't substantiate".

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Speaking as some one, who is totally impartial. Where is Mr Carlisle, Wayne Casey ? :?: , a man with his rapier like wit , and intellectual genius. Is more than capable, of sticking up for him self. Could it be his absence from here, is an indication , something smells a bit, in Carlisle . Regards streetcars
Oh dear the Captains back ,i got that one wrong ! Wonder how that happened, some thing i said . :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Streetcars


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and the lies you have spread about them.


All very mundane rhetoric but I'm most intrigued at this statement, "that you can't substantiate".

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JD
Speaking as some one, who is totally impartial. Where is Mr Carlisle, Wayne Casey ? :?: , a man with his rapier like wit , and intellectual genius. Is more than capable, of sticking up for him self. Could it be his absence from here, is an indication , something smells a bit, in Carlisle . Regards streetcars
Oh dear the Captains back ,i got that one wrong ! Wonder how that happened, some thing i said . :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Streetcars


Speaking of people who are not here, Joann said to say hello??

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