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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 4:46 pm 
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Taxi driver had two passengers in boot

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24/05/2007

By Julian Whittle

A CARLISLE taxi driver who put two passengers in the boot of his cab could soon be ordered off the road.


Matthew Champney, 41, was stopped by police and later convicted of overloading his Skoda taxi. Now he could be out of a job if Carlisle City Council’s regulatory panel revokes his taxi licence as punishment.

A report to councillors says: “A white Skoda taxi was seen in Collier Lane, Carlisle, and it appeared two people were getting into the boot. “Police officers attended and found the driver to be Mr Champney.

“When questioned he stated that he had finished work for the night and the two men in the boot were friends and just ‘larking about’. “There was no complaint from the two men.

“However, the officer reported Mr Champney for overloading his vehicle and he appeared before Carlisle Magistrates on April 13 when he pleaded guilty.” Mr Champney, of Whitberry Court, Roadhead, later told council officers that the two men were drunk.

He had, helped by two other friends who were already in his taxi, put them in the boot as a “light-hearted prank”. The incident took place in the early hours of January 28.

When the regulatory panel meets next Wednesday, councillors have a range of options from taking no action to suspending or revoking Mr Champney’s licence. He could also be ordered to re-sit his taxi-driving test. Mr Champney has fallen foul of the panel before.

His licence was suspended for one week in 1998 after he was convicted of three motoring offences in five years. Since 2004, he has received two fixed-penalty fines for speeding and another for drawing a trailer in the fast lane of a motorway.

He has only narrowly escaped automatic disqualification under the totting-up procedure.
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How stupid can some people get?

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How stupid can some people get?


If he had the intention of carrying them in the boot he is rather foolish. He was charged with overloading his vehicle, I suppose they could have thrown the additional charge at the passengers of not wearing a seat belt? lol

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How stupid can some people get?


If he had the intention of carrying them in the boot he is rather foolish. He was charged with overloading his vehicle, I suppose they could have thrown the additional charge at the passengers of not wearing a seat belt? lol

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They could have argued that there was no seatbelt to wear! pmsl :lol: :lol: :lol:

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gusmac wrote:
JD wrote:
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How stupid can some people get?


If he had the intention of carrying them in the boot he is rather foolish. He was charged with overloading his vehicle, I suppose they could have thrown the additional charge at the passengers of not wearing a seat belt? lol

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They could have argued that there was no seatbelt to wear! pmsl :lol: :lol: :lol:


I think after this case seat belts in the boot should become mandatory for Carlisle cabbies lol. After all, if the council can pass an illegal condition in respect of only allowing less than half the cab trade to ply for hire on the main taxi rank then a simple seat belt in the boot condition should be a piece of cake. lol

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Rather than a bit of tomfoolery I suspect it was actually part of some kind of cloak and dagger industrial espionage scam. 8-[

I wouldn't spend to long thinking about this, but JD might well know what I'm alluding to. :lol:

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No doubt we've all been asked to carry more than we're licensed for, i know i have. and as well as "i'll crouch down in the footwell" it's been asked "i'll get in the boot" as well :shock: .
When it's explained that my license isn't worth it and i'll radio for another car, they get proper shirty :x !
But this guy only had 2 in the car anyway, so he could have taken them legally.
I cant understand someone putting his job on the line for for anything, let alone a prank! [-X


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A taxi driver in my area got caught on the cctv putting 2 in the boot. He got a small fine from the court and a wrist slapping from the council.

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smiffyz (geoff) wrote:
No doubt we've all been asked to carry more than we're licensed for, i know i have. and as well as "i'll crouch down in the footwell" it's been asked "i'll get in the boot" as well :shock: .
When it's explained that my license isn't worth it and i'll radio for another car, they get proper shirty :x !
But this guy only had 2 in the car anyway, so he could have taken them legally.
I can’t understand someone putting his job on the line for anything, let alone a prank! [-X


My instincts would lean towards it being a prank but I'm surprised the driver didn't plead not guilty? If he had no intention of driving then that might have been a good enough excuse? I can recall some years ago when a mini cooper was overloaded to see how many people would fit inside? That particular experiment took place while parked on a main road so I can't really see the difference. Having said that, like most people I don't know the precise law on overloading a vehicle. I suspect it wouldn't have to be moving to be classed as overloaded but there must be a defence about intention to move?

Overloading is about road safety and normally concerns weight capacity in respect of axle overloading. However passenger overloading is also illegal and rather than risk your license its always wise to tell people that do try it on that you're not insured to carry more than the permitted number of persons prescribed by the council and you have no intention breaking the law, for them.

Back in 1989 John Prescott, the Shadow Transport Secretary, demanded that the Tory Government veto European Commission proposals to allow 44-tonne juggernauts on to Britain's roads. He pointed out that the proposals would also stop any checking at European ports of vehicle overloading, which could undermine the safety and stability of ferries.

Obviously Mr Prescott didn't have much faith in the stability of ferries.

Back in may 2005 a Nurse from Oxford overloaded her five seater Citroen car with seven school kids, some of which were sat on each others knee in the front and rear passenger seats, the car left the road and collided with another vehicle killing the driver and four of the seven children in her own car. The police said overloading was a major factor of the accident.

I found this story in the Evening standard from 2002 and perhaps it’s appropriate to remind all of us about the wide ranging consequences of overloading and the penalties which can be attached which most of us probably didn't realise.

The Evening Standard (London)

June 28, 2002

HEADLINE: Taking a load off

BYLINE: James Luckhurst

It is estimated that at least one in 20 vehicles is leaving the ports overweight. Kent Police warns that every returning ferry and Channel Tunnel Shuttle train contains at least four cars with more weight on board than they are designed to carry.


Weight-related accident statistics aren't available, but overloading invalidates insurance, customs officials can confiscate cars and their cargo, and courts can impose fines of up to £2,000. And it doesn't stop there.

"If you cause a fatal crash because your vehicle was overweight, you could face a ten-year prison sentence for causing death by dangerous driving," said PC Mark Lamb, of Kent Police.

We went on a weight-watching patrol with Kent Police officers Tim Williamson and Mark Egerson-Wright who soon stopped one early morning van driver. A weighbridge near Maidstone showed his £2,500 haul of lager had put his rented van more than 1,300Kg overweight.

Customs seized the van and impounded the beer. We were told magistrates would most likely fine the driver £1 for every overweight kilogram, suggesting a fine in excess of £1,300, with six or more points on his licence.

Lamb said: "Being overweight is dangerous enough. But the tricks van drivers use to disguise their heavy loads are potentially even more lethal.

"They put chocks in their suspension springs, steel blocks on back axles, and they'll even pump 100 pounds of air pressure into tyres designed for 45.

"One driver disconnected the load valves going to his braking system. When he'd unloaded the van he forgot to reconnect them.

The first time he braked he locked up the back axle and overturned."

Car drivers also break the rules.

We saw Williamson and Egerson-Wright weigh an old hatchback that had been stopped on the M20.

The weight plate under the bonnet revealed a maximum rear axle loading of 900Kg. The weighbridge showed 985Kg, nearly 10 per cent over. The police stopped him from moving anywhere until his brother took on the excess load in his car.

Overloading plays havoc with a car's tyres, according to former tyre development engineer Steve Johnson of the fleet training firm, Drive & Survive.

"Nearly every safety device fitted to your car depends on your tyres working effectively," he said. "When tyre pressures are low and weight is excessive, there's a huge build-up of heat.

The tyre temperature can double, leading to a blow-out risk where the car will dig in, spin and most probably roll."

Johnson said drivers should check loadings in their car's handbooks. A Volvo V70 estate offers 745 litres of space once the rear seats are folded, with a weight of 1,483Kg before fuel and occupants are added. Its maximum weight is 2,150Kg, allowing a "load", including fuel, passengers and luggage, of 667Kg.

Two average adults add 160Kg, plus around 30Kg for fuel, leaving room for 31 cases of wine at 15Kg a piece.

A typical load a family holiday for two adults and three children plus luggage adds up to nearer 540Kg. Just eight cases of wine would put it overweight.

Lamb said: "One driver rearended another at the Tunnel.

The car stopped, the driver stopped but the load in the back didn't and he found himself crushed against the steering wheel by 60 cases of beer and wine."

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Perhaps he was practising being a wav driver, putting them behind a partition, just in case the court ruling went wrong :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :D


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Perhaps he was practising being a wav driver, putting them behind a partition, just in case the court ruling went wrong :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :D
Theres many a time after i,ve picked up that i feel like putting the smelly ones in the boot or giving them a good squirt of summing :evil: :evil: We pick some right stinkers up in this job :sad:

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Years ago we used to stick people in the boot on a regular bases , they were always runners of course, stick them in , work for a couple of hours and then let them out , the passengers during the night used to think it was a great game . they would sit shouting ..... You should have paid your fair.....

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And now he has lost his license. :?

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Another case of double jeopardy, and the council knowing best, the court did not put him off the road so why should the council, I hope he appeals


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