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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:35 pm 
Providing we have room, here's what we will be putting in the next issue of our trade mag.

For the past three years, Watford Hackney carriage drivers have refused to pay Silverlink the company who administer Watford station the required Permit fee of £355 for the privilege of plying for hire on the Station Taxi rank.

The Taxi drivers withheld payment because they were disputing the rights of Silverlink to install a private hire freephone, increase the annual permit payment and the use of private hire firms for their lucrative account work.

In Watford they have what they call a docket system, a station official would provide the first driver on the Taxi rank with a credit slip to take passengers to their home destination, or in some cases Heathrow Airport. On completion of the journey, Silverlink would reimburse the driver on production of the docket.

Silverlink wanted the option to use any firm they pleased but the Hackney carriage drivers wanted complete exclusivity of all account work.

The drivers are also of the opinion that if they pay Silverlink an annual permit fee for the privilege of plying for hire on the station, they should not have to compete with a free direct line to a private firm.

The third bone of contention of the Hackney carriage drivers was that Silverlink wanted to increase the permit fee substantially. Silverlink intimated if they could have reached agreement with the Hackney carriage drivers, the permit fee would have remained unchanged

After several years of conflict and no payments from the Taxi drivers, the Station authorities finally said enough is enough. In the later part of 2003 Silverlink put the Station Public hire contract out to tender, they invited applications from both the Taxi and Private hire trade to service that contract.

The said Contract has now been awarded to a local Private hire company who trades under the name of AA United. The Hackney Carriage drivers, who collectively could have tendered for the contract, sought not to do so. The reason for not tendering was explained by Mr. Sardar the T & G workers representative. He said, “because the dispute between the two sides was still unresolved it would have been pointless in tendering for the contract”.

According to Mr Sardar, at the final meeting between the two sides which took place in the summer of 2003, the Hackney Carriage drivers were given an ultimatum by the then station manager, to accept the way Silverlink conducts its business, or get off the Station.

In January 2004 the station authorities moved Watford Hackney Carriage drivers off the station taxi rank and replaced them with Private hire vehicles from AA United.

Watford is a large mainline station but has a relatively small Taxi Rank of fourteen spaces.

A press officer for Silverlink said they have only excluded Hackney Carriages from standing and plying for hire on the Station Taxi Rank. They have not placed any restriction on Hackney Carriages picking up at the station if hailed by a member of the public. The Hackney Carriage drivers say this is not true. They paint a vastly different picture to the one portrayed by Silverlink.

They say the rank area has been transformed to comply with the legal definition of what constitutes a private road. No public vehicles are allowed in the rank area and Taxis have a different dropping off point. There are signs up saying “Authorised vehicles only” and “no public vehicles beyond this point”.

One Hackney carriage driver complained of intimidation by station police and employees of AA United. The driver also stated that AA united had employed two Bouncers to prevent Hackney carriage drivers from picking up members of the public at the station. He states on one occasion passengers were dragged out of his vehicle by AA united employees.

Silverlink and Watford Taxi licensing department have reached an agreement on the legality of the Private hire vehicles being parked at the station. The agreement stipulates that only eight vehicles may stand on the Taxi rank, vehicles must at all times prior to hire be vacant and the driver must not be in the vicinity of his vehicle.

Watford Licensing department issued a full statement on 17/2/04 stating both they and the local police were happy with the arrangements at Watford Station. They pointed out that the station would be monitored closely and any infringement of licensing laws will be acted upon.

The following is an extract taken from the press release issued by Watford Taxi Licensing Dept on 17/2/04.

“The Council has a government advised way of taking enforcement action, called the Enforcement Concordat, which is to give advice to potential law breakers on what they should and should not do. If this advice is not acted upon within an appropriate time frame then more formal methods, including prosecuting offenders, are used. In the Council’s view the time has come for more formal action in relation to AA United at Watford Junction as the advice given by council enforcement officers is not being heeded. If one day a driver keeps to the law, but the following day breaks it, then it’s hardly a u-turn to take action on the second day but not the first.

The hackney carriage drivers could have averted the whole situation by working with Silverlink to reach an agreement before the contract for the station forecourt was even put out to tender. Watford Borough Council had no part to play in the award of this contract, indeed when the hackney carriage drivers union contacted the Mayor’s Office about the tender they were advised to put in a tender for the contract. The role of the Council and the Police in this is in relation to upholding the law and preventing the occurrence of criminal offences.

The Council, as always, is rigorously enforcing regulations and byelaws relating to private hire vehicles and hackney carriages, and both sets of drivers, throughout the Borough as well as at Watford Junction. The Council has a proven track record of prosecuting private hire drivers who illegally ply for hire”.

It would appear that Watford Hackney carriage drivers from the start of this dispute have been wrongly advised. From past experience we here in Manchester have always been aware of the fine line between a good working relationship and total exclusion.

In Manchester, we have always sought to apply our efforts to what is right; not what we think “might” be right. That is why we always seek advice if we are unsure of our legal standing. The situation at Watford station is not unique and some may see the distinct correlation between Watford station and Manchester Airport.

For those who are unsure of the legalities of what Silverlink have done, you must be aware that both the Railways and Airport Authorities can set bye laws appertaining to their own property. What they cannot do is breach statute legislation. It may be that the only relief for Watford Hackney carriage drivers will be through the courts. Whether or not they can find the money to finance such a decision is debatable.

It would be ironic if the 1977 Cardiff case of Hullin v Cook came back to haunt the Railways. In that case, Cook the driver of a Hackney cab was prosecuted for plying for hire on Railway property without permission. The owner of the vehicle was also prosecuted for aiding and abetting.

If any of the private hire drivers were to be prosecuted and found guilty of the offence of plying for hire, it may follow that the station are also guilty of the offence of aiding and abetting. It could be argued that Silverlink aided the private hire drivers to commit the offence by inviting them onto the station with the explicit purpose of taking passengers from the station for hire and reward.

At this stage, the Hackney drivers down in Watford are in a bit of a mess. They have no realistic prospects of getting back on the station and the local licensing department has made their position clear.

“It must be a case of watch this space”

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:29 pm 
What you forgot to mention was the PH have been moved to the rear of the station in a car park out of view of the public.


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forgot or omited?


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Nidge wrote:
What you forgot to mention was the PH have been moved to the rear of the station in a car park out of view of the public.


Well even if that is true Nigel, it's not exactly a victory for the brothers, is it? :?

Nevertheless, thank you John for your investigation. :wink:

I take my hat off to you, not just for that, but also the way you convey the info in an un-biased fashion.

One day I hope to be as un-biased as you, but I'm not holding my breath. :oops: :oops: :oops:

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John Davies. wrote:
It would appear that Watford Hackney carriage drivers from the start of this dispute have been wrongly advised. From past experience we here in Manchester have always been aware of the fine line between a good working relationship and total exclusion.


And if there is a lesson to be learnt over this affair, the above comment is the one. :shock:

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 7:53 pm 
Nidge wrote:
What you forgot to mention was the PH have been moved to the rear of the station in a car park out of view of the public.


According to the information, I got from Silverlink, Mr Sardar, the council and several Watford Taxi drivers, say "that is not the case"

If you wish not to believe those people then that is entirely your own prerogative.

It may be the case, that the car park you are referring to is a feeder park for the station rank.

If you ask the T & G representative of Watford Taxi drivers the question, "are the Private hire vehicles ranking up on the Station Taxi rank where the Hackney carriages used to rank up" and he replies yes, one would have to assume that he knows what he's talking about.

If you ask the same question of other Watford drivers and they answer consistently in the same way, you would have to believe there is an element of truth in it.

When Silverlink say they have an agreement with the council, that no more than eight vehicles are allowed on the Taxi rank and that drivers must at all times be out of their vehicles and not in close proximity. You would have to conclude that the taxi drivers and the spokesman for T & G are telling the truth.

It really matters not, where the P/H vehicles are parked. If it is proven that they are not on the rank, the article in question will be amended to reflect that. If anyone is going to Watford in the next 3 weeks, they may consider taking a camera with them; it would be interesting to see what this rank looks like.

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Most pertinent point for me is this;

Are rail users of the opinion that they are receiving an improved service than was previously the case?

If so Silverlink will regard this as enhancing 'the rail experience' and will want to keep it as in the long term happy rail passengers bring them more benefit than 10K from a rank every year.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 9:04 pm 
Indeed Tom, that is the most pertinent point.

Because if it is pronounced as a success at Watford, then other areas will undoubtedly copy.

And once again, if it becomes widespread, the T&G will have been material in seriously damaging yet another industry.

Like the railways, the fishing industry, and so on.

The T&G really need to get a grip on what the term "reasonable" negotiation means.


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Indeed Tom, that is the most pertinent point.

Because if it is pronounced as a success at Watford, then other areas will undoubtedly copy.

And once again, if it becomes widespread, the T&G will have been material in seriously damaging yet another industry.

Like the railways, the fishing industry, and so on.

The T&G really need to get a grip on what the term "reasonable" negotiation means.


That was not posted by me. :shock:

But as for the other areas hmmmmmmmmmmm. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Nidge wrote:
What you forgot to mention was the PH have been moved to the rear of the station in a car park out of view of the public.


Well even if that is true Nigel, it's not exactly a victory for the brothers, is it? :?

Nevertheless, thank you John for your investigation. :wink:

I take my hat off to you, not just for that, but also the way you convey the info in an un-biased fashion.

One day I hope to be as un-biased as you, but I'm not holding my breath. :oops: :oops: :oops:




yes I congratulate him too on his unbiased report.

pity that these forums cannot be unbiased too sussex. in the news reporting.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 2:26 am 
if only Elton John bought the Station instead of that football club

pink PH & HC's, I dont think so


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pity that these forums cannot be unbiased too sussex. in the news reporting.


John has done a good job.

There is plenty of room for un-biased reporting on TDO, however there is also plenty of room for biased stuff. :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:38 am 
John Davies. wrote:
Providing we have room, here's what we will be putting in the next issue of our trade mag.



To be honest JohnI wouldn't use your rag tag PH paper for going to the toilet, more S**T would come off the paper.


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Nidge wrote:
John Davies. wrote:
Providing we have room, here's what we will be putting in the next issue of our trade mag.



To be honest JohnI wouldn't use your rag tag PH paper for going to the toilet, more S**T would come off the paper.


Oh dear. He does know how to show the merit of his argument doesn't he.

Such an objective, open minded debater.

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Nidge wrote:
To be honest JohnI wouldn't use your rag tag PH paper for going to the toilet, more S**T would come off the paper.


Well it's nice to hear someone calling the Manchester TOA's newsletter, a PH rag. :D :D

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