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Hastings have a HC limit of 48 plates but non for PH. It is too small a town with not enough business for delimitation. Council think they will cut down prices. They only cut down the driver's income which is below the minimum wage for several weeks of teh year and barley just makes it at other times. Summer and Christmas is good but it only averages out at minmum wage thrroughtout the year for long hours. Also prices being SE are more expensive, Rents twice the price and property to buy like London prices. Would be good to get some of these copuncillors on a"Fact Finding Exercise" to sit in the drop seat of a HC and go round with the driver on a Saturday night see what you have to manage and how much you do it for. Public Relations :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:


No town is too small for delimitation. Because its the market which decides the number of taxis operating. It's also substantially the case that we have the numbers of PH operating precisely because of the limits placed on taxis.

Too many PH in your manor? Then its YOUR fault. Because YOU allowed the council to restrict taxis to below market demand which PH has absorbed.

Can it be won back? I think so. But it will take great will and not a little temporary sacrifice from existing taxi operators. Most owners in the status quo don't see the need. Because they don't make their money from customers, they make their money in rentals from drivers, who are the ones who have difficulty filling the seats with customers. Owners get their cut whatever the trading situation is. They don't take any risk. Drivers take the risk.

At least in a de-restricted market, driving your own taxi you can work when the work is there. This means peak periods, weekends and holidays. But this when it's always been the time to work, nothing's really changed. But, isn't it better to be working a friday or saturday night in your own vehicle rather than being forced to take a busy night off because the owner has given the shift to a part timer because he will pay an exorbitant rental for the privilege?


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Junie2006 wrote:
Hastings have a HC limit of 48 plates but non for PH. It is too small a town with not enough business for delimitation.


I can never work out this "small town" argument regarding the trade, in whatever context it's made.

For a start, how do PH manage without restricted numbers?



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Also prices being SE are more expensive, Rents twice the price and property to buy like London prices.


How can that be in such a small town?

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And why is it that smaller towns tend to have unrestricted taxi numbers? :-k

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Rents twice the price and property to buy like London prices.

What in Hastings? Image

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Hastings have a HC limit of 48 plates but non for PH.


Legislation precludes private hire from being limited so was there any particular reason you highlighted the fact they are not limited?

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Legislation precludes private hire from being limited so was there any particular reason you highlighted the fact they are not limited?

Wishful thinking? :?

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Legislation precludes private hire from being limited so was there any particular reason you highlighted the fact they are not limited?

Wishful thinking? :?


Thats what I thought but we go blue in the face pointing out the route for change so I wish people would stop stating the obvious by saying private hire are not restricted as though it is possible to restrict them because everyone is already aware of that.

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I suspect that many in the trade think that all these things are down to the council rather than legislation.

Particularly as many councils seem to pretend that the legislation and case law doesn't exist anyway, so what chance the trade :lol:

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I suspect that many in the trade think that all these things are down to the council rather than legislation.

Particularly as many councils seem to pretend that the legislation and case law doesn't exist anyway, so what chance the trade :lol:


But surely every private hire driver in the country who has ever applied for and obtained a private hire driver license new that they weren't restricted when they first applied? Maybe not?

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Please see my previous post.


Why? Does your previous post explain what you meant by

"that is no excuse for poor returns or working conditions".

If you don't want to explain what you meant, its no big deal. We all know that you provide your own working conditions when you buy your vehicle because the only person who can provide working conditions is "you". The reason for that is because "you are your own boss". Quite elementary to some.

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Re my last post JD, I thought I had already covered the topic of my attitude to councils, so I checked back a little and I quote myself here:-

Are you deliberately being obtuse? I already said that the council have nothing to do with my returns or working conditions. All that would change in my enlightened version of the taxi trade is a new set of laws would set out new parameters for the council to administer.
We could then earn a reasonable (not excessive) return without suffering from an oversupply of cabs.

I trust we'll hear no more nonsense
about councils owing me a living.

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I tend to disagree, the LA have an awful amount to do with your working conditions.

The vehicle you drive is your working environment, if they tell you to drive a certain vehicle.

Where you ply your trade (i.e. a rank) is another affect on your working condition.

If there is oversupply of vehicles then the LA are affecting your working conditions.

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You're right, I used the phrase in reply to JD's point that "no one twisted your arm to become a cabbie".
I meant it in the way that employee T&C is described but it was the wrong phrase for this

Councils DO have a lot of say over the conditions under which we work.
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I don't really see what that has to do with you, do you?

Nothing at all really , just trying to understand where you are coming from. We are all influenced by our own experiences and knowing what your experience is, would allow us to see how it you informs your judgment. For example although I worked in Aviation for 16 years including several years in management, I have also worked as a labourer, barman, fitters mate and sales rep as well as going to university for a bit. All of this background means I can talk quite happily to a Harvard Professor or normal working man like myself. If we knew eg "that while you are interested in the taxi trade you were actually a piano salesman who failed his economics degree" we could see where you are coming from.


And I also can't see why you are trying to divert this subject from your own abject failure to put across a coherent argument about derestriction?

J I am just pointing out that failing to answer a simple question such as, " Are you a taxi or private hire driver" on a forum called "TAXI DRIVER ONLINE DISCUSSION FORUM" , does seem more than a little strange.

If you want to change the policy of Crawley council petition them because you won't get much change out of the Government.

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I've got a suggestion for you JD, why don't you start a poll as a sticky called......"GUESS JD'S JOB"
I wonder what categories posters might suggest?


Lets try again about what I meant when I made the comment about " poor returns and conditions".
It was specifically in reply to your comment, which is quite right, that no one twisted my arm to become a cabbie.
I meant that the fact that I was not forced to do the job (which can be applied to virtually all jobs ), should not be used as an excuse for a poor income or having to wait for 1.5 hours between jobs.
This poor situation would apply to all cabbies in the same location and my not being forced personally has nothing to do with the overall situation in the trade.

I hope that clarifies the situation.

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allo allo wrote:
Please see my previous post.


This, "please see my previous post" business is becoming irritating, lol.

I look at your previous post and its meaningless. Just type out here in plain English what you mean by

"that is no excuse for poor returns or working conditions".

And forget what casey said about licensing laws being working conditions, he doesn't know his azz from elbow. Any man who confuses licensing laws with working conditions is an idiot.

Its a good job I don't own a nightclub.

By the way, you must be the only person on this site who doesn't quote text properly, is there a reason for that?

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allo allo wrote:
I've got a suggestion for you JD, why don't you start a poll as a sticky called......"GUESS JD'S JOB"
I wonder what categories posters might suggest?

Didn't you know he is a sports lawyer from Manchester. :wink:

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Please see my previous post.


This, "please see my previous post" business is becoming irritating, lol.

I look at your previous post and its meaningless. Just type out here in plain English what you mean by

"that is no excuse for poor returns or working conditions".

Why is it I have to repeat everything for you?

Lets try again about what I meant when I made the comment about " poor returns and conditions".
It was specifically in reply to your comment, which is quite right, that no one twisted my arm to become a cabbie.
I meant that the fact that I was not forced to do the job (which can be applied to virtually all jobs ), should not be used as an excuse for a poor income or having to wait for 1.5 hours between jobs.
This poor situation would apply to all cabbies in the same location and my not being forced personally has nothing to do with the overall situation in the trade.

I hope that clarifies the situation.

And forget what casey said about licensing laws being working conditions, he doesn't know his azz from elbow. Any man who confuses licensing laws with working conditions is an idiot.

Its a good job I don't own a nightclub.

By the way, you must be the only person on this site who doesn't quote text properly, is there a reason for that?


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Amazingly, there is. I don't know how to do it, as I already said in an earlier post to Sussex.
Would you care to enlighten me?

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allo allo wrote:
I've got a suggestion for you JD, why don't you start a poll as a sticky called......"GUESS JD'S JOB"
I wonder what categories posters might suggest?

Didn't you know he is a sports lawyer from Manchester. :wink:


Well, it wouldn't surprise me if he does work in Law, he does have a certain way with words. However he is not a follower of Denning in his writing style.

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allo allo wrote:
Lets try again about what I meant when I made the comment about " poor returns and conditions".


Yes lets try again. Shall we?

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It was specifically in reply to your comment, which is quite right, that no one twisted my arm to become a cabbie.


So we have that straight! You agree that no one twisted your arm! So why are you complaining about poor returns when it was your own decision to become a cab driver??

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I meant that the fact that I was not forced to do the job (which can be applied to virtually all jobs )


So why are you complaining when it was a decision of your own making?

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should not be used as an excuse for a poor income or having to wait for 1.5 hours between jobs.


Well that's market forces for you if you don't want to wait 1.5 hours for a job then get a different job, alternately go on a radio circuit, or work another authority.

You can't blame the council for your decision to drive a cab, you new the Roger Moore before you got your license and now you've got a license you don't want anyone else to have one.

This nonsense about poor returns and working conditions is down to you and no one else. We all know what you meant when you said it but you couldn't blame the council because the council have sweet FA to do with your financial decision making.
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Definition of working conditions.

Conditions pertaining to the workers' job environment, such as hours of work, safety, paid holidays and vacations, rest periods, free clothing or uniforms, possibilities of advancement, the physical environment in which you work, including the actual space, the quality of ventilation, heat, light.

In respect of Accountability for your poor returns, lets nail one thing on the head, the council doesn't employ you. CORRECT?

You are self-employed: CORRECT?

You run your own business and you take responsibility for its success or failure: CORRECT?

You can decide how, when and where you work: CORRECT?

You provide the main items of equipment to do your work: CORRECT?

Your success or failure is down to you: CORRECT?

Your poor returns are down to Market Forces: CORRECT?

Thank you.

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