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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:42 pm 
Sussex Man wrote:
I think that solution has been with us for years, it's just that some can't see the woods for the trees. :wink:


You must therefore include yourself then SM.

As I have told you, buying a NEW WAV in Gateshead will COST YOU MORE TO BUY AND RUN THAN BUYING A SALOON PLATE AND A SALOON CAR TO PUT IT ON.

Go and have a look at those tree's again SM,

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As I have told you, buying a NEW WAV in Gateshead will COST YOU MORE TO BUY AND RUN THAN BUYING A SALOON PLATE AND A SALOON CAR TO PUT IT ON.

Go and have a look at those tree's again SM,


For both our sakes I don't want to license a HC in Gateshead, I will leave that to others.

I want one in my own manor, and here it will pay.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 1:46 am 
So why argue that Nationally we need changes to legislation.

If you want stuff to happen in your manor and your arguments are strong enough, and held by the majority, then you will surely be able to convince your own council to take the appropriate action.

If you can't then your argument is obviously flawed and, in the councils opinion, not in the best interest of the people of Eastbourne.

The reason you want National chance is because your argument is to weak and held by a minority locally, so the council refuse your demands. You want to take your argument to government so that you can abuse National statistics and manipulate them in an attempt to prove your argument. However in areas that dis-prove your demands or objectives you, as the OFT did, discount them as inappropriate.

Its time for relisation, you claimed the OFT investigation would lead to single tier, you were informed of the reasons why it wouldn't and you berated those who spoke against you. Very foolhardy Mr Sussex Man, almost as foolhardy as your current "clutching at straws" approach we are forced to witness now.

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
So why argue that Nationally we need changes to legislation.

If you want stuff to happen in your manor and your arguments are strong enough, and held by the majority, then you will surely be able to convince your own council to take the appropriate action.


Because it needs changing nationally.

To me a s*** rule, is as bad in your manor, as in mine.

I believe drivers should decide their own future.

I believe drivers should decide for themselves if they wish to own, or wish to journey.

I believe. :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
The reason you want National chance is because your argument is to weak and held by a minority locally, so the council refuse your demands. You want to take your argument to government so that you can abuse National statistics and manipulate them in an attempt to prove your argument. However in areas that dis-prove your demands or objectives you, as the OFT did, discount them as inappropriate.


If you think treating all drivers equally, is a weak demand, then so be it.

National stats can only be abused if they are wrong, even I would struggle if they were pukka.

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Its time for relisation, you claimed the OFT investigation would lead to single tier, you were informed of the reasons why it wouldn't and you berated those who spoke against you. Very foolhardy Mr Sussex Man, almost as foolhardy as your current "clutching at straws" approach we are forced to witness now.


Well I'm not so sure about that, and for the record neither are the T&G.

If it was the case, then the T&G would be for the OFT report. It is them that want the one tier system.

Just look at their rag. :shock:

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"Buying a NEW WAV in Gateshead will COST YOU MORE TO BUY AND RUN THAN BUYING A SALOON PLATE AND A SALOON CAR TO PUT IT ON"

Of course WHEN the DDA is fully implemented everyone in Gateshead will be I the same boat, everyone will have WAV.

The question should be asked as to why WAV's and Purpose Built Vehicles are working well and alongside saloon vehicles in the likes of Carlisle, but not so well in Gateshead.

The T&G policy recommends that all major towns and cities have purpose built vehicles.

The NTA policy is of course freedom of choice of vehicle.

"You claimed the OFT investigation would lead to a single tier system"

The OFT report stated that WAV's were a hindrance of entry into the trade, due to the high purchase price, it therefore recommended the removal of the requirement. This would surely have led to private hire saloons replacing their PH plates with HC plates and therefore a single tier system.

It is of course interesting to note that the T&G policy of a single tier system, has one HC tier and a tightly regulated PH, in other words its a two tier system, this is of course now referred to as spin.

The NTA policy is status quo or the same system that we currently have, which incidentally enables gradual increases in numbers (or as the T&G now put it graduated growth or spin).

Under the current system we all have a chance to make and change policies locally, this will not be as easy to achieve if we go to regionalised taxiboards, where we will all be small fish in a large pond.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:22 am 
Sussex Man wrote:
If it was the case, then the T&G would be for the OFT report. It is them that want the one tier system.

Just look at their rag. :shock:


I think you will find that it is only the London branch which seeks to keep its single tier system, other areas recognise the partnership between Hackney and Private Hire and wish to see that policy remain.


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captain cab wrote:
Of course WHEN the DDA is fully implemented everyone in Gateshead will be I the same boat, everyone will have WAV.


I believe you will find that the implementation of the DDA on the scale you suggest would discriminate against more disabled people than current policies.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:27 am 
captain cab wrote:
The T&G policy recommends that all major towns and cities have purpose built vehicles.


In fact the T&G's policy is for all vehicles to have Full European M1 type approval and as more vehicles now have such approval to suggest that no choice would be available is misleading.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:30 am 
captain cab wrote:
The NTA policy is of course freedom of choice of vehicle.


So any old deathtrap will do, how you ever rose through the ranks to Captain is beyond me.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:33 am 
captain cab wrote:
The NTA policy is status quo or the same system that we currently have, which incidentally enables gradual increases in numbers (or as the T&G now put it graduated growth or spin).


Strange that both National groups have basically the same ideals and principles yet representatives from each group just seem to play their wording, regarding policy, off against the other.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:37 am 
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If you think treating all drivers equally, is a weak demand, then so be it.


I don't think it really matters what is said on here, or even what people think of either suggestion made. What is blatantly apparent though, is that your council consider your argument to be a weak one. As if they were presented with a realistic argument they would have adopted the policies other councils accross the country have, were sensible arguments have been put forward correctly.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 7:43 am 
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Sussex Man wrote:
If you think treating all drivers equally, is a weak demand, then so be it.


I don't think it really matters what is said on here, or even what people think of either suggestion made. What is blatantly apparent though, is that your council consider your argument to be a weak one. As if they were presented with a realistic argument they would have adopted the policies other councils accross the country have, were sensible arguments have been put forward correctly.



I think thats whats called hitting the nail on the head.

Never mind though, one day you might realise that the world owes you nothing at all which is in turn even more than you will get from any government. This government have way to many more important things to worry about without having to bother with envious P/H drivers wanting the whole world on a plate.

Your council have the power to delimit, ask yourself the question why they don't.

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I don't think it really matters what is said on here, or even what people think of either suggestion made. What is blatantly apparent though, is that your council consider your argument to be a weak one. As if they were presented with a realistic argument they would have adopted the policies other councils across the country have, were sensible arguments have been put forward correctly.


Well I'm not sure which pair of rose tinted glasses you have on, but the last thing councils do, is listen to the arguments.

Many councils are gutless, many LOs are more concerned with an easy life, rather than a just licensing system.

But perhaps you could give me a reason, as to why it's fine and dandy to discriminate against one side of the trade.

Or is your's, the weak case?

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