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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:44 pm 
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I really can't understand why you keep on about topics I have already answered.

Can we leave this particular bone alone and concentrate on other issues as I feel we are becoming a bit boring now?

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Hastings has a fishing fleet. The fishing fleet is reducing because the competition from the foreign vessels who can fish in our waters and the restrictions on what a fisherman can catch (Pity the fish can't read the EEC directives and quotas they just swim into the net, How are they suppsed to know they are 24 fish over the EEC quota? Can't eat them or sell them. have to throw them back. If fish can't count and too many swim into the net the fisherman gets fined. thousands.

If the local fishing community would like more restrictions as to what and how many vessels can fish in our waters. Doesn't the same apply for taxis in a small town? Unless you want to keep to friends and family. Enough cabs standing idle due to shortage of relief drivers. Why more plates?

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Hastings sounds like quite a PLAICE!
Is there an Abbey nearby or do you not get any MONK FISHing in Hastings?
Is it like Eastbourne where you SEA old TROUTS FLOUNDERing along as they try to SCALE the heights?
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I don't know about OLD TROUTS FLOUNDERING but you took some effort dragging out all those puns. Who did you write for Arthue Askey? :lol: =D> \:D/

I'm glad I'm not in the back of your taxi when you are on a roll I'd top myself. #-o #-o

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Unlike fishing Junie you can't trawl for punters with a net!

Small town or large city if they don't have the money to go out then they won't. We just have to be available when they do!

If interest rates keep rising as predicted us in the small towns will feel it.

The work during the week here has already slowed up. so you change with the flow of the punters. It's simple supply and demand isn't it?

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Fishing or taxi. If you you are in a small pond or a small town you have to have a small fleet or all starve or watch black and white TV. There are plates they can't sell yet they keep making more. Seems daft not to be honest and intelligent. Country folk round here think they are going to a big city when they come to Hastings. Its a two horse town and ones a pantomine donkey. Before i started cabbies told me about "taxi wars" which would get nasty. Then everyone decided to work together and give respect so there is an unsaid code of ethics to avoid things. They jump on anyone who tries to upset things. Would find Eastern Europeans kerb crawling for clients up at the station right under the station rights taxis.

I have seen things escallate and get nasty. Competiiotn is one thing. Desecnding into nasty conflict is another.

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The work during the week here has already slowed up. so you change with the flow of the punters. It's simple supply and demand isn't it?


Precisely why drivers need access to their own vehicle. So they can work when the work's there and R&R when its quiet. That's the nature of the job.

After all, you'd hardly say to any other tradesman that he can only get access to the tools of their trade at restricted times, would you?


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allo allo wrote:
I really can't understand why you keep on about topics I have already answered.

Can we leave this particular bone alone and concentrate on other issues as I feel we are becoming a bit boring now?


Its patently obvious you haven't explained the point you raised and its no wonder you want to draw a line under it now. However, I told you its pointless pressing you for answer if you have no intention of giving one. Hence we move on.... but before we do, perhaps you might wish to have a look at the numerous discussions we've had on deregulation in the past and take on board the fact that the issue is now settled to some extent, at least until the OFT or DfT ever revisit it again and then I'm sure we will have the same old arguments all over again.

In your respect, if you don't like the way Crawley council does things then ask them to change. Each council has its own policy and if you don't like it then its up to you and your colleagues to try and change it.

With regard to your ill thought out blue print for the taxi trade, I have nothing to add.

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If the local fishing community would like more restrictions as to what and how many vessels can fish in our waters. Doesn't the same apply for taxis in a small town? Unless you want to keep to friends and family. Enough cabs standing idle due to shortage of relief drivers. Why more plates?

I think the difference between fisherman punters i.e. fish and our punters i.e. humans is that if the trade in fish wasn't restricted there would be none left.

I think even those most in favour of restrictions don't use the reasons that punters will dissapear or die out should the restrictions go. :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:53 pm 
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I used to be a proponent of de-limitation, but I'm now having second thoughts.

The reason is simply that without some control you end up with an over supply which simply drives down fares and pushes up the number of hours drivers work just to earn a reasonable living.

If you work 37.5 hrs as a typical Office worker does then you'll be on the breadline. Even doing 45-50 hours as most of us at least do is no use these days.

If there was no control over the number of supermarkets you'd have Asda Tesco Sainsbury Morrisson Lidl Aldi Somerfield Waitrose etc, all in every town killing off smaller shops and reducing the town centres to banks and estate agents. And of course there would be price competition driving down prices.......sound familiar?
Every company employs the correct number of workers for it's workload. The taxi business should be no different.

I have changed my mind about the principle, however I'm not sure what the best way or the correct levels should be and I think PH should be limited as well.

Maybe 50% of a town's PH should become HC as well as the HC already in place then there should be a cap on at that level, but maybe only HC that are independent (ie NOT on a radio circuit should be allowed to pick up from ranks). Then PH should be abolished! Remaining HC drivers could work on circuits and pick up if approached on the street.

I haven't thought all this through ... I am making it up as I type but I hope it provokes a debate, but that we can avoid slagging off each other personally.


You've woken up and smelt the coffe then? Many of us have been saying it for years even before the OFT did a flawed report regarding the trade. THe best thing to do is go out and get a £30,000 motor on HP then sit on the rank and see how much you can earn in a week, we've been crucified in our town, our numbers have doubled but the trade has gone down, the major supermarket has relocated out of the town centre, that used to give us 70% of our trade on the dayshift now it's gone, drivers are walking round with their heads in their hands wonderinig what to do.


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You've woken up and smelt the coffe then? Many of us have been saying it for years even before the OFT did a flawed report regarding the trade. THe best thing to do is go out and get a £30,000 motor on HP then sit on the rank and see how much you can earn in a week, we've been crucified in our town, our numbers have doubled but the trade has gone down, the major supermarket has relocated out of the town centre, that used to give us 70% of our trade on the dayshift now it's gone, drivers are walking round with their heads in their hands wonderinig what to do.


Yeh, and CC told me I was gonna get it with both barrels.

I've had a debate with JD but you can't really argue with a bigot, maybe they should have delimitation of the Wanabee Lawyer industry and then we could have an informed debate.

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allo allo wrote:
Yeh, and CC told me I was gonna get it with both barrels.

I've had a debate with JD but you can't really argue with a bigot, maybe they should have delimitation of the Wanabee Lawyer industry and then we could have an informed debate.


Don't blame me for your reluctance to explain "poor returns and working conditions". As for your tin pot idea on the way to "regulate numbers", well that speaks for itself but I hope you can convince your local council that you have come up with the perfect solution for capping plates.

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I've had a debate with JD but you can't really argue with a bigot, maybe they should have delimitation of the Wanabee Lawyer industry and then we could have an informed debate.


I thought you wanted to
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maybe they should have delimitation of the Wanabee Lawyer industry and then we could have an informed debate.

They already have.

Any person who achieves the required legal standard is given the required legal qualification. :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:56 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
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maybe they should have delimitation of the Wanabee Lawyer industry and then we could have an informed debate.

They already have.

Any person who achieves the required legal standard is given the required legal qualification. :wink:



Well there you go ...................... it is, I believe, still the case in every council that the number of Drivers Licenses is in no way restricted other than an applicant needing to prove that meet the criteria set out by that council and that they were considered Fit and Proper with confirmation from the CRB.

So any driver that achieves the required legal standard is given a licence.

Its actually a very good comparison, from my new mate Sussex, as very few newly qualified solicitors actually set up their own law firm ............. what they do is go and work for someone with the experience in whatever field of law they wish to enter. It is only when they have studied law in a practical way, and proved that they are capable of the trust of their clients that they could ever hope of making it on their own.

Well done Sussex (my new mate), your argument, like I say is a very good one.

B. Lucky :D

(oh and thanks for the lift ............. I will repay the favour should you ever be up this way)

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