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I don't profess to know the ins and outs of the self drive hire system but can I suggest a scenario and let you pull it to pieces.

I want to take my wife out for the day in a nice car so I contact Hertz or Avis to see about hireing a flash Mercedes. They have just the car I want and I agree to hire the car from them. This is self drive, yes. Now I don't want to ruin my day by not being able to drink whilst having a meal so I decide to employ the services of a chauffeur for the day as well. Now obviously this chauffeur would need to be added to the insurance from the hire company, which is not a problem because I can have more than one driver. So I now have a car on self drive and the servicec of a chauffeur employed seperatly to drive the car.
Is there anything illegal in any of this?



A marc is a car and what you want to do is fine.as it does not come into the multi passenger class. But a 16 seat passenger vehicle by UK law needs a COIF, but these vehicles are not up to UK spec as they cannot get a COIF and so are unsafe in the UK eyes as no COIF. By side stepping a COIF you are putting people in an unsafe vehicle,accoding to UK law. These people are deliberately hiring out an unsafe vehicle out for hire & reward by very dubious means and side stepping all the excepted hire & reward regs. With no opporaters license or normal checks & controls, on vehicle and drivers.


I'm sorry No tips but i have never read so much bollox in all my life!!!!!!!

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no tips wrote:
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I don't profess to know the ins and outs of the self drive hire system but can I suggest a scenario and let you pull it to pieces.

I want to take my wife out for the day in a nice car so I contact Hertz or Avis to see about hireing a flash Mercedes. They have just the car I want and I agree to hire the car from them. This is self drive, yes. Now I don't want to ruin my day by not being able to drink whilst having a meal so I decide to employ the services of a chauffeur for the day as well. Now obviously this chauffeur would need to be added to the insurance from the hire company, which is not a problem because I can have more than one driver. So I now have a car on self drive and the servicec of a chauffeur employed seperatly to drive the car.
Is there anything illegal in any of this?





A marc is a car and what you want to do is fine.as it does not come into the multi passenger class. But a 16 seat passenger vehicle by UK law needs a COIF, but these vehicles are not up to UK spec as they cannot get a COIF and so are unsafe in the UK eyes as no COIF. By side stepping a COIF you are putting people in an unsafe vehicle,accoding to UK law. These people are deliberately hiring out an unsafe vehicle out for hire & reward by very dubious means and side stepping all the excepted hire & reward regs. With no opporaters license or normal checks & controls, on vehicle and drivers.


The only difference is the number of passengers. If the vehicle is for private use, as in self drive, then are you sure that it needs a coif?
If the vehicle is hired out in the above manner, what is dubious? If I hire out any vehicle and then hire a chauffeur to drive it, where is the problem.

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The only difference is the number of passengers. If the vehicle is for private use, as in self drive, then are you sure that it needs a coif?
If the vehicle is hired out in the above manner, what is dubious? If I hire out any vehicle and then hire a chauffeur to drive it, where is the problem.
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BUT this is not for PRIVATE USE its for hire & reward. And in this country we have rules which have to be abided to, which these wide boys happen to think dont apply to them.
Why does every 8 + seat opporater jumps through all the hoops and this lot stick two fingers up.


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You are reading into this your own interpretation of what some operators are allegedly doing. I am asking for you to comment on the legality of the above scenario as it is written. So is this scenario legal? Yes or no?

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Well, yes grandad, your scenario may well adhere to the letter of the law, but there's also the spirit of the law to consider.

Surely you have to look at what the legislation is intended to do rather than whether a particular scheme adheres to the spirit of the law.

Look at the Pink Ladies, for example, where a club of some kind was set up so that the firm could utilise the contract hire exemption in the legislation. The exemption was intended to allow long-term contracts to use unregulated vehicles, not so that lawyers could dream up schemes to allow taxi-type services to exploit the exemption and thus operate unregulated.

The bottom line is surely that if the mainstream taxi/PH trade were to use self-drive hire to circumvent licensing then the authorities would move to stop this; after all, the contract hire exemption was recently closed by Parliament to put a stop to the Pink Ladies club scenario.

The self-drive hire system was surely never intended to cover the type of scenario that some limos are using - it may be legal, but perhaps the more appropriate word is "loophole".

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I want to take my wife out for the day in a nice car so I contact Hertz or Avis to see about hireing a flash Mercedes. They have just the car I want and I agree to hire the car from them. This is self drive, yes. Now I don't want to ruin my day by not being able to drink whilst having a meal so I decide to employ the services of a chauffeur for the day as well. Now obviously this chauffeur would need to be added to the insurance from the hire company, which is not a problem because I can have more than one driver. So I now have a car on self drive and the servicec of a chauffeur employed seperatly to drive the car.
Is there anything illegal in any of this?

Not now IMO, but come 01/01/08 then the driver will be done for operating a vehicle without a PH ops license and a PH vehicle license. :D

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You are man of no morals if any one talk bollox its you.

I'm sorry No tips but i have never read so much bollox in all my life!!!!!!!

You have just shown your true colours why don’t you f@@k off back to selling your moblie phones as you don't even have/own a limo & that thing you call a limo bus, is just a old clapped out coach with a pretty trim we could all do that but then. Why buy crappie old bus rip out the trim then we can call it a limo (but lets not tell DVLA we are calling it a limo bus) because then they might looking to it more. As at COIF`ed as a coach/bus) NOT A LIMOUSINE

So however you look at it always be an old clapped out bus.

I always thought that a limousine was meant to elegant and graceful looking vehicle

Not an old bus or any 4 x 4 you cannot call any of these nice looking most are [edited by admin] & look it too

So when you have your own limousine (not a limo bus)

I look forward to your cleaver/ witty reply

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For the safety of Limo driver could you please lock this thread now admin as i dont take too kindly to the personal attack, thanks.

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And they hide their online status, now thats real men for ya, a bit like themselves they hide because they are chicken sh*ts and cant back up what they say on a forum in person this is how weak they really are!!!!!

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