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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:58 am 
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maybe they should have delimitation of the Wanabee Lawyer industry and then we could have an informed debate.

They already have.

Any person who achieves the required legal standard is given the required legal qualification. :wink:



Well there you go ...................... it is, I believe, still the case in every council that the number of Drivers Licenses is in no way restricted other than an applicant needing to prove that meet the criteria set out by that council and that they were considered Fit and Proper with confirmation from the CRB.

So any driver that achieves the required legal standard is given a licence.

Its actually a very good comparison, from my new mate Sussex, as very few newly qualified solicitors actually set up their own law firm ............. what they do is go and work for someone with the experience in whatever field of law they wish to enter. It is only when they have studied law in a practical way, and proved that they are capable of the trust of their clients that they could ever hope of making it on their own.

Well done Sussex (my new mate), your argument, like I say is a very good one.

B. Lucky :D

(oh and thanks for the lift ............. I will repay the favour should you ever be up this way)


You're clearly a pillock GA.

A newly qualified lawyer may not start up his own business, indeed it may be his specific choice not to. But there is no artificial restriction preventing him from doing so.

Christ, it's like dealing with children.

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Not being a solicitor or lawyer I have no idea whether a newly qualified lawyer or solicitor is required to work for a firm for a certain length of time before practicing on their own.

Maybe someone could.

The fact remains there is a process, and I would suggest that that process is a restriction in itself.

Its pleasing for me, to be called a pillock, by someone without a thought of his own.

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GA wrote:
Not being a solicitor or lawyer I have no idea whether a newly qualified lawyer or solicitor is required to work for a firm for a certain length of time before practicing on their own.

Maybe someone could.

The fact remains there is a process, and I would suggest that that process is a restriction in itself.

Its pleasing for me, to be called a pillock, by someone without a thought of his own.

B. Lucky :D


Great coming from the great stupidendo, formerly known as GA.

Now you're writing sh*te about something you now tell us you know nothing about. Forget children. Babies more like.

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The fact remains there is a process, and I would suggest that that process is a restriction in itself.


Whats your reasoning for suggesting the process is a restriction? And under what circumstance does it not become a restriction? I can't identify any restriction apart from the individual competence of each individual. Once you are qualified as a solicitor you can do what you want, so where is the restriction on qualification?

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allo allo wrote:
Yeh, and CC told me I was gonna get it with both barrels.

I've had a debate with JD but you can't really argue with a bigot, maybe they should have delimitation of the Wanabee Lawyer industry and then we could have an informed debate.


I can see you are hell bent on obtaining a reputation as "the man who types before he thinks".

We were all under the impression it was you who wanted a debate on your tin pot idea of regulating numbers and completely doing away with private hire. I found it curious that you wanted to get rid of private hire and yet you would allow hackney carriages to undertake private hire work. That amounts to a one tier restricted system based on quantity controls, do you realise that? But what if these 200 plus councils who dont control numbers at the moment, such as yours, reject quantity controls, you're still in the same boat as you are today? The only difference being is that you will have twice as many cabs sat on cab ranks. Unless of course your tin pot idea takes away from councils or whoever administers licensing, the free market option?

As far as being a bigot, I tried to get you to answer in simple terms the accusation you made in respect of working conditions and poor pay, you chose not to give an answer and that is your perogotive. However, in future you might wish to think before you type because I doubt I will be the last person asking you to clarify your ambiguous statements.

The Reference you made to the legal fraternity, is meaningless and not worthy of comment?

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JD wrote:
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The fact remains there is a process, and I would suggest that that process is a restriction in itself.


Whats your reasoning for suggesting the process is a restriction? And under what circumstance does it not become a restriction? I can't identify any restriction apart from the individual competence of each individual. Once you are qualified as a solicitor you can do what you want, so where is the restriction on qualification?

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Do solicitors only need to be CRB checked .................... does passing a CRB check mean that you haven't committed a criminal offence or does it mean that you haven't been caught.

Can a solicitor argue a case in Crown Court or does that person need to be a barrister ................... if that is the case then why can't a solicitor argue a case regardless of court ................ surely they all do the same job.

Unlike Mr Jasbar, who incidentally must know everything about everything, I'm quite happy and willing to learn and the way to learn things, the way to increase knowledge is to ask questions of those that do .................... and it would appear that at least one member has knowledge of the process of becoming a barrister.

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JD wrote:
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Yeh, and CC told me I was gonna get it with both barrels.

I've had a debate with JD but you can't really argue with a bigot, maybe they should have delimitation of the Wanabee Lawyer industry and then we could have an informed debate.


I can see you are hell bent on obtaining a reputation as "the man who types before he thinks".

We were all under the impression it was you who wanted a debate on your tin pot idea of regulating numbers and completely doing away with private hire. I found it curious that you wanted to get rid of private hire and yet you would allow hackney carriages to undertake private hire work. That amounts to a one tier restricted system based on quantity controls, do you realise that?

YES

But what if these 200 plus councils who dont control numbers at the moment, such as yours, reject quantity controls, you're still in the same boat as you are today? The only difference being is that you will have twice as many cabs sat on cab ranks. Unless of course your tin pot idea takes away from councils or whoever administers licensing, the free market option?

A COUNCIL'S DUTY WOULD BE TO MATCH SUPPLY TO UNMET DEMAND BY HAVING SURVEYS EVERY 2 YEARS AND ISSUING MORE LICENSES ACCORDINGLY

As far as being a bigot, I tried to get you to answer in simple terms the accusation you made in respect of working conditions and poor pay, you chose not to give an answer and that is your perogotive. However, in future you might wish to think before you type because I doubt I will be the last person asking you to clarify your ambiguous statements.

The Reference you made to the legal fraternity, is meaningless and not worthy of comment?

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JD


JD said: I tried to get you to answer in simple terms

DITTO

I am going to try again to finish this pointless sniping

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My dear allo allo,

At some point you may realise you are not going to win your argument at any stage if it is contrary to the views of JD and others.

This thread has had 7 pages in no time at all, all desperately trying to convince you they are right and you are wrong, even though your right :wink:

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My dear allo allo,

At some point you may realise you are not going to win your argument at any stage if it is contrary to the views of JD and others.

This thread has had 7 pages in no time at all, all desperately trying to convince you they are right and you are wrong, even though your right :wink:

CC


Well even Mr allo allo admitted that his proposal wasn't well thought out, so both you and him are wrong. :D

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Junie2006 wrote:

If the local fishing community would like more restrictions as to what and how many vessels can fish in our waters. Doesn't the same apply for taxis in a small town? Unless you want to keep to friends and family. Enough cabs standing idle due to shortage of relief drivers. Why more plates?



I think what you're trying to say is that businesses tend to want the market rigged in their favour, but the problem is that governments tend to see this as a bad thing. So why should the taxi trade be any different?

As for the shortage of drivers, that means you're saying that new drivers are welcome as long as they're driving an existing taxi?

And I thought you were big on anti-discrimination Junie!

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I have seen things escallate and get nasty. Competiiotn is one thing. Desecnding into nasty conflict is another.

Junie


So you're saying that the threat of violence is helping keep the cartel together? Nice!

You almost give the impression that you endorse this Junie, so given your anti-violence stance then perhaps you could clarify your position here?

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GA wrote:
Its actually a very good comparison, from my new mate Sussex, as very few newly qualified solicitors actually set up their own law firm ............. what they do is go and work for someone with the experience in whatever field of law they wish to enter. It is only when they have studied law in a practical way, and proved that they are capable of the trust of their clients that they could ever hope of making it on their own.



So why do many drivers manage to make it on their own from day one?

And why does the experience not seem to matter if the driver can shell out for a plate?

The fact is - as always - that if a driver is deemed suitable to drive a taxi then why not own one?

Presumably the answer is merely that it doesn't suit your agenda?

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GA wrote:
Can a solicitor argue a case in Crown Court or does that person need to be a barrister ................... if that is the case then why can't a solicitor argue a case regardless of court ................ surely they all do the same job.



Yes, I think that solicitors have long argued that point, thus this hardly helps your argument - it's in effect a restrictive practice, with vested interests arguing in its favour, so to an extent the same as the cab trade, but that hardly justifies it on rational grounds.

But there is no arbitrary reason why an individual can't decide whether to become a solicitor or barrister - if it was similar to the cab trade anyone could freely practice as a solicitor without restriction whereas there might be a restriction on barristers that would benefit some at the bar, eg a limit on the number of wigs (I don't think it's actually necessary for a barrister to wear a wig, but a lot of people thinks this, however for the purposes of the analogy it's assumed that they're compulsory).

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GA wrote:

............ surely they all do the same job.




Well, yes, thus to that extent your analogy would mean that you're promoting no numerical restriction to the taxi trade, since there's none to becoming a barrister or solicitor.

Prospective lawyers can choose which side to train for, as with the cab trade.

But lawyers don't face numerical restrictions whatever path they choose. :D

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GA wrote:
Do solicitors only need to be CRB checked. Can a solicitor argue a case in Crown Court or does that person need to be a barrister if that is the case then why can't a solicitor argue a case regardless of court surely they all do the same job.


Here, go and find a few answers to the pointless questions you asked about becoming a solicitor..

http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/becomingasolicitor.law

http://www.online-law.co.uk/solicitor/becoming.html

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Unlike Mr Jasbar, who incidentally must know everything about everything, I'm quite happy and willing to learn and the way to learn things, the way to increase knowledge is to ask questions of those that d and it would appear that at least one member has knowledge of the process of becoming a barrister.


And if you want to educate yourself on how to become a Barrister look at these.

http://www.online-law.co.uk/bar/becomin ... iding.html

http://www.online-law.co.uk/bar/becomin ... index.html

It will save us a lot of time explaining it all, to the North East General secretary of the GMBU "Professional" Drivers Branch.

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