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So maybe the advertising's been approved then?

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As you are quite obviously working towards helping this kind of activity, I will point out a single contravention to help you convince authorities with the same train of thought as Berwick Council, who do not properly accept the responsibility of operating the licensing function professionally, that you should be considered an "expert" in advising councils.



But the point is surely that Berwick don't really have much choice in the matter, because of the deficiencies in the legislation.

That's the point that some of us are trying to make, while others do all they can to defend the legislation.

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So maybe the advertising's been approved then?


No applications have been made Dusty ............... thats a matter of public record.

Oh and that is just one of the things that Berwick are failing to enforce .................... they are therefore failing in their responsibilities to properly manage the licensing function.

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So what would be contained within a new "taxi" act JD .................. the basic operation of a taxi has not changed since the 1847 act was written ..............


For a start, they didn't have two-way communications in HCs in 1847, surely?

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But the point is surely that Berwick don't really have much choice in the matter, because of the deficiencies in the legislation.

That's the point that some of us are trying to make, while others do all they can to defend the legislation.


Deficiencies in legislation .................... don't you mean exploiting loopholes in legislation.

I wonder why people seek such loopholes ................... but lets face it if loopholes need to be found to get people licensed and working the fitness and propriety of these peoples agents needs to be questioned.

And it should be noted that there is no requirement for an agent taking bookings for Hackney Carriages to be licensed and therefore prove their fitness and propriety.

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So what would be contained within a new "taxi" act JD .................. the basic operation of a taxi has not changed since the 1847 act was written ..............


For a start, they didn't have two-way communications in HCs in 1847, surely?


Hang on a minute Dusty ............ two way communication is not required for a HC to carry out its basic function .............. which is to be available for immediate hirings from a rank, specified point or by being hailed in its prescribed distance.

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TDO & JD. Always the cry, we want a new cab Act, But never any explanation on how it would be achieved, or even whether in reality it could be achieved..... I would be interested to hear your views on how you believe it would be possible... I already know how easy it is to stop one ....

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If what you're alluding to is that it's all about politics and vested interests then I agree, but then that's obvious.

But your post looks a bit like saying that because it's difficult to do anything to stop the Janjaweed militia murdering people in Darfur then there's no point in mentioning it or indeed that people should keep quiet about it.

Things will change radically one day, but maybe not in ours.

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GA wrote:
Deficiencies in legislation .................... don't you mean exploiting loopholes in legislation.


Depends on what perspective you're looking at it from - you could say that the contract hire exemption was a deficiency, but but that the Pink Ladies were exploiting a loophole.

An LA might have no choice in something they do that they don't like, thus it would be wrong to say that they're exploiting a loophole, but it would be right to say those taking advantage are exploiting a loophole.

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I wonder why people seek such loopholes ................... but lets face it if loopholes need to be found to get people licensed and working the fitness and propriety of these peoples agents needs to be questioned.


Human nature, so why blame human nature rather than the legislation?

When the cockle pickers drowned at Morcambe Bay, OK some people were obviously being greedy, but hand wringing wouldn't solve the problem so new legislation was introduced to regulated gangmasters.

In this case you're clearly trying to defend the legislation for your own reasons and instead trying to blame people who are trying to implement the legislation with all its deficiensies and others trying to exploit it.

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And it should be noted that there is no requirement for an agent taking bookings for Hackney Carriages to be licensed and therefore prove their fitness and propriety.


Ah, yes, another deficiency, well done =D>

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Hang on a minute Dusty ............ two way communication is not required for a HC to carry out its basic function .............. which is to be available for immediate hirings from a rank, specified point or by being hailed in its prescribed distance.

B. Lucky :D


But the point is that two-way communication has changed all that, and without it we wouldn't have the Berwick/Newcastle debacle.

So the basic operation of a HC HAS changed since the legislation was written.

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Its not a case of backing anything up Just a Dodo ............


That's your problem mate, you come out with unfounded untrue statements and when you are pulled up about them you plead ignorance.

You are unworthy to represent anyone never mind a fledgling outfit like the NE GMBU.

Just so everyone can see what a clown you are I've posted the link to the Berwick bylaws.

http://www.berwick-upon-tweed.gov.uk/li ... riages.pdf

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Considering you are a rep for the GMBU its about time you considered what you say before you put your fingers to the keyboard because your ill considered ramblings won't get past first base on this forum.


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What the fook has the GMB got to do with the actions of Newcastle City Council .


It may have escaped your notice but I never mentioned the GMB had anything to do with Newcastle. What I did comment on was the fact that you as a representavive of the GMB should think before you put your misconcieved accusations about Berwick bylaws into print. Is that clear enough for you?

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Now how about explaining your misconceived notion "that these vehicles and drivers are working in contravention of their local by-laws"


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As you are quite obviously working towards helping this kind of activity, I will point out a single contravention. Berwick local bylaws state that no advertising can be displayed on, from or in a HC without the approval of the authority ................ vehicles operating outside of the borough are carrying advertising.


Well obviously you read the bylaws before you posted that nonsence but perhaps you should read them again because berwick has no such bylaw.
What they might have is a condition of license but it is obviously you don't know if they do or don't?

Therefore your statement was incorrect from the start and it just proves you made it up.

I think you might find that most authorities in the country has a condition of license in respect of advertising so even if Berwick do have such a condition that does not make them unique in any way?

However your false accusation concerned owners and drivers working in contravention of Berwick bylaws. I think you owe these owners and drivers an opology for your wrongful accusation don't you? Or are you cut from the same cloth as the person who wrote the brighton press release which made wild accusations about poor standards in neighbouring authorities?

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Its only one of many (indeed probably of least importance) but the fact remains they are not in a position to check these vehicles on any regular basis.


One of many indeed more bullchit from the North East representative of the GMBU.

In my opinion you are a disgrace, we can forgive those who make genuine mistakes but we can't really forgive anyone who fabricates a lie.

In my opinion, anyone taking advice from you must be in a desperate state indeed.

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But I would say that the greatest changes to the HC industry was the legislation passed to include PH (1976 Act) and the garbage written to try and rectify the mistakes (1985 Act).

The fact remains that the 1847 Act does not allow for a HC to work outside of its rescribed distance and the Newcastle/Berwick situation would not have arose if legislation hadn't been changed.

I therefore call for the re-implimentation of the 1847 Act with regard HC ................................ and the implimentation of the London PH Act in every area of England and Wales for PH.

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GA wrote:

The fact remains that the 1847 Act does not allow for a HC to work outside of its prescribed distance


I think the Act refers to plying for hire rather than working per se:

The commissioners may from time to time licence to ply for hire within the prescribed distance.....

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But your post looks a bit like saying that because it's difficult to do anything to stop the Janjaweed militia murdering people in Darfur then there's no point in mentioning it or indeed that people should keep quiet about it .


I think your statement is a little bit far-fetched , I'm simply inquiring as to whether you had given any thought as to how to achieve a new Taxi Act, after all talk is cheap, actually making something happen is entirely different , I would imagine that a great many people already know how hard it would be to create a new act, and maybe, rather than sit round moaning and expecting nothing in their life time they will at least try to achieve change if even in a small way .

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We had a new Act as recently as 1982 covering both taxi and PH, so why not an new one in England?

We also had a review of it a few years ago, and I'm sure a new Act will be passed in the next few years.


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